Dish far apart on contract with CBS as deadline nears

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  1. SomeRandomIdiot

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    The most comical thing about giving you $1 for KATU is Dish was not paying KATU $1 to begin with.
     
  2. TBoneit

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    I think that they did not expect so many to be troublesome.

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  3. mwdxer

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    Dish probably felt $1 was fair, as I believe when Dish sold the Supers to new consumers, they were $1 each at one time.
     
  4. James Long

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    Locals were once $5 for the market and $1 off if a network affiliate went missing in a dispute was common. Even if other channels were opened up as compensation to customers missing the network affiliate.

    If it were my bill I'd compare line by line to see where the $4.50 difference is reflected.
     
  5. mwdxer

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    I'll see what happens next month with my bill.
     
  6. SomeRandomIdiot

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    CBS gave Dish a short term extension through the Holidays and until early next week.

    Was out early yesterday afternoon.

    Expected to see it here when i signed on, but apparently no one here knew or posted.
     
  7. Athlon646464

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    See post #108 - Extended again as well (Thanks for the heads up).

    Update: CBS and Dish Network agree to another contract extension

    (latimes.com) - There will be no CBS station blackout over the long Thanksgiving holiday weekend.

    Full Story Here
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  8. Dec 2, 2014 #128 of 183
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    CBS has told Dish it will pull it's channels if they cannot agree to terms by 7PM ET Thursday.

    Smart on CBS's part as the NFL Season winds down.
     
  9. Dec 2, 2014 #129 of 183
    inkahauts

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    Saw commercials on CBS today during the news.
     
  10. Dec 2, 2014 #130 of 183
    phrelin

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    I signed up for free month of CBS All Access which seems like a great option when one doesn't have OTA.
     
  11. Dec 2, 2014 #131 of 183
    Stewart Vernon

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    I saw it noted elsewhere (Broadband Reports I think) that this last extension by CBS conveniently gets them past their fall ratings cycle so ad rates going forward are determined by those ratings... instead of having lower ratings due to lost carriage... so you can be sure it wasn't CBS being benign with that last extension if true... just them getting past the ratings season so their bottom line wouldn't be affected as much.

    Given the winter repeat season... and NBC has the Super Bowl this year... I could see Dish playing hardball well into January if CBS takes the channels down Thursday.... especially since it only affects the O&O markets, so lots of Dish customers will not even notice these channels being gone anyway.
     
  12. Dec 2, 2014 #132 of 183
    mwdxer

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    No issue here with losing CBS as CBS is not O&O. The only NW station I think owned by CBS in KSTW 11 Seattle (CW). This dispute does not only affect CBS Network O&O stations, if the CW Seattle is included.
     
  13. Dec 3, 2014 #133 of 183
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Actually the ratings ended Wednesday Night (11/24) prior to Thanksgiving.

    We'll see how people in Charlie's hometown of Denver like not being able to see the Broncos on TV (or the January Playoffs for that matter).

    As noted previously, the CBS O&Os that air CBS Network Programming is 32.75% of the USA TV Households. It goes up to 37.9% when one adds in the CW.

    But regardless, while we know that MVPD subs do not track exactly 1:1 and some markets are stronger and some weaker, it is not out of reason to believe that at minimum 25% Dish's subs will notice CBS-TV missing, and others Nationwide will notice Showtime and shows such as Homeland missing.
     
  14. Dec 3, 2014 #134 of 183
    mwdxer

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    Of course in cities or metro areas, OTA is viable with an antenna. It is the viewer that is out of town that will have to deal with the loss of a network. When Dish loses an OTA Network, then the viewer should beable to get an out of market station. That is only fair. Then when the issue is resolved, the viewer gets back their network in their DMA. I have a friend in Colton CA, up on a hill, and though he is a good 50 miles from Mt. Wilson, he gets over 100 OTA signals from that location with an antenna. One thing is for sure, the viewer near or in large markets gets the best OTA programming and a lot of choice.
     
  15. Dec 3, 2014 #135 of 183
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    One size does not fit all.

    First, there are many areas from Hollywood West through Beverly Hills to Santa Monica to Malibu that cannot get Los Angeles OTA from Mt. Wilson - and there are many more people in that swath than in Colton, CA. And lots of luck getting Denver OTA if you live on the wrong side of the mountain.

    Secondly, digital is either there or it isn't, unlike Analog. Multipath ends up killing the Digital Signal in large markets (actually any markets - its just worst in an urban jungle).

    The signal in NYC is actually better from 4 Times Square than it is from Empire (less issues), however, Empire gets out further in the fringes (New Jersey, North etc).

    Third, Affiliates are franchised - no different than a McDonalds. Just because a franchisee has an agreement to sell McDonalds Burgers in Des Moines, that does not mean they can sell their burgers in Times Square. The affiliate does not have the right to make a deal to sell the franchised programming outside of the areaA they negotiated with the rights holder. That is no different than McDonalds, Taco Bell or any chain/franchisee.

    Nowhere in the Constitution is any programming guaranteed as a right. It does not state "life, liberty, and all the programming that is produced".
     
  16. Dec 3, 2014 #136 of 183
    nmetro

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    Actually, in Denver, there are translators to deal with carriage outside Denver, in both the mountains and the plains. KCNC, the Denver CBS affiliate's market area claims to cover pretty much everything north of the Palmer Divide (High hills between Denver and Colorado Springs), north to near Cheyenne, west to almost Vail and east to almost Kansas. With teh exception of Denver, Colorado Springs and Grand Junction, most of the rest of Colorado is served by translators.

    Translators pretty much serve all the other stations too.

    However, while Denver TV stations claim they server a vast area, terrain, buildings, trees and weather play a huge role in receiving OTA signals. I am lucky than most what I can receive at my location. I also live at the edge of a city and have clear line of sight.

     
  17. Dec 3, 2014 #137 of 183
    TBoneit

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    Well if the Pull of WCBS, NYC is going ahead I guess I will go through the Guide tonight and set up my Timers to record them in HQ to the Hard Drive of My DVD Recorder. The Quality is very Watchable for being SD DVD resolution.

    Hopefully They will blink and settle.

    Cheers
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  18. Dec 3, 2014 #138 of 183
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Considering Paul Maxwell who has run Mediabiz, The Bridge, CATV Newsweekly, CableFAX, CableVision, MultiChannel News during his almost 50 years in the business and lives outside of Denver, often speaks of those not being able to receive OTA if on the wrong side of the Mountain (which he often claims he is), I have to believe him when it comes to what he is talking about.

    Just 7 days ago he wrote "And now I can continue to get Denver TV stations on DirecTV (no DISH here, so no worries about losing the Broncos). That’s a big deal because I’ve got the Continental Divide between me and the transmitters. STELAR gives me another legal five years."
     
  19. Dec 3, 2014 #139 of 183
    Stewart Vernon

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    One problem the OTA stations have in these disputes is... they will argue "Dish is charging you and not paying us so drop Dish and get us for free" except for the areas noted where people have trouble picking up OTA... and then CBS wants to charge you more to stream their content than Dish charges for all the LiLs combined... so it's hard to be on their side here.

    The flip side, as I always note, is if CBS wanted to be on a must-carry and not charge anything and then Dish shouldn't charge consumers either... but that ship sailed already so I won't dwell on it.

    Bottom line... short term Dish would suffer if compelling TV is on during this time... long term I think CBS would suffer more. History shows us that people adjust once a dispute settles in and there is relatively little change to customers as they adapt to the "new normal" over time.
     
  20. Dec 3, 2014 #140 of 183
    SomeRandomIdiot

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    Actually, CBS has put a price on it's product. $5.99. You can get it personally for free over the air (it's up to do whatever you have to do to get that), a personal subscription for $5.99 on the internet or a group buy through Dish at a discount of $2.00 and Dish makes all their customers takes it. It's very clear.

    Considering the Former TW Chairman Dick Parsons said that CBS handed them their butt in the dispute and TWC is still paying for it today (and will until next October at a minimum), your view on who loses might be your opinion, but it the real world, with numbers to back it up, is not reality.
     
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