Dish far apart on contract with CBS as deadline nears

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  1. Dec 3, 2014 #141 of 183

    hasbeen29650 Cool Member

    Mar 25, 2012
    The only problem with the $5.99 answer is that the last time I checked, it did not include sports and potentially a bunch of their other programs. It was limited to something like 15 current programs plus a library of past shows. So OTA is definitely a better way to go if you can do it.
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  2. Dec 3, 2014 #142 of 183
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Yep... that online streaming charge CBS is trying to make work has yet to be time-tested... you don't get everything you can get free OTA and it requires high-speed broadband to be of use... and it still costs more to you than Dish charges you as part of your package to get all your LiLs. I don't think CBS is going to be real successful right now with that $5.99 plan.

    Meanwhile... using TWC's admittedly failed negotiation efforts as an example doesn't necessarily foretell the future. If TWC said publicly they dropped the ball in the negotiations... that is just further ammo for Dish to hold out because they believe that they are in a stronger position to "do without" and they haven't really been proven wrong yet.

    People will say all sorts of stuff... but I can't find any hard evidence that supports Dish being financially harmed by any of their negotiations thus far... they lose some channels for a while, and maybe sometimes a few customers... but they keep ticking along and the better channels come back eventually.
  3. Dec 3, 2014 #143 of 183

    SomeRandomIdiot Godfather

    Jan 6, 2009
    That makes a $2.00 Group Buy an even BETTER deal!

    A steal at more than 66% off!
  4. Dec 3, 2014 #144 of 183
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

    Apr 17, 2003
    Would 66% off $1 million per subscriber be a good deal? Or would the channel still be overpriced?

    Setting a price of $5.99 does not mean that the channel content is worth $5.99.
  5. Dec 3, 2014 #145 of 183

    SomeRandomIdiot Godfather

    Jan 6, 2009
    Considering that MVPD subscriber watch local station programming 35% of the time, based on straight percentages, CBS would easily be worth $5.99.

    Now, based on people that watch it, the ESPN package is not worth close to $10 a month for most people either.
  6. Dec 4, 2014 #146 of 183

    mwdxer Well-Known Member

    Oct 30, 2013
    Seaside Oregon
    The CBS channel for $5.99 is not available on the Roku as yet, I don't believe. They do have CBSN that is an all news channel in HD and the regular CBS channel that runs clips from shows. NBC is on the Roku as well as FOX, but no ABC as yet. Tons of PBS.
  7. Dec 4, 2014 #147 of 183

    Athlon646464 Yada Yada Yada DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Update: CBS to go dark on Dish Network Today

    ( - CBS, the country's highest-rated television network, has set a very public deadline in its dispute with Dish Network: 7 p.m. Eastern, Thursday....

    Full Story Here

  8. Dec 4, 2014 #148 of 183

    lparsons21 Hall Of Fame

    Mar 4, 2006
    Herrin, IL
    From other stories it appears that the CBS O&O stations will go dark this evening, as well as CBS Sports and Showtime. While I'm not affected by the CBS stations in this deal, I could get it OTA if needed and sometimes do now if we are having storms.

    CBS Sports is a yawner for me too as they don't have much boxing on, or at least no matches that have caught my eye.

    Showtime going dark is a total leverage move as it is an ala carte Premium channel. I just got a 1/2 off deal on that and have to wonder whether that will be honored when SHO comes back on. If not I'll just do what I was doing when they made the offer which is cancel SHO. At most I watch the live boxing and will miss it, and a very rare movie. To me it is worth the $7 1/2 off price and no more.

    But the good part of these events is that it allows us the opportunity to evaluate what we watch and how much we pay for it. Coupled with the unofficial increases after the 1st of the year I know I'm carefully looking at my subscription level to see if I need to stay at the level I'm at or start trimming some things back. If the VOD was a bit better, and the cable type channels reran their most popular shows a bit more often, I could get rid of the SuperJoey and save $10/month. That SJ is just sitting there, not connected to any TV just for the extra 2 tuners.
  9. Dec 4, 2014 #149 of 183

    patmurphey Godfather

    Dec 21, 2006
    I took advantage of the free one month CBS Cyber Monday trial on December 1. It is good for us because we really only use CBS for prime time series. The big disadvantage is that as it is internet streaming it is not easy to get it to a TV. The Samsung smart TV internet browser doesn't work well enough and you can't use streaming devices like Roku. However, I did find a solution that works perfectly - screen mirroring on my 2014 Samsung UHD TV from a CBS app on my Galaxy S5. I can watch episodes the day after with substantially reduced ads, not perfect but solves the problem for free. Worst case if it's along blackout would be $5.99 for January.

    Take that Moonves!
  10. Dec 4, 2014 #150 of 183

    crabtrp Legend

    Sep 23, 2006
    So if we have an OTA module then we should still be OK, right?
  11. Dec 4, 2014 #151 of 183

    Orion9 Legend

    Jan 31, 2011
    Given that that's somewhere around 10 times what you would have paid him for January from Dish, I suspect he will be reasonably happy to "take that!".

    Or am I misunderstanding?
  12. Dec 4, 2014 #152 of 183

    WestDC Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Feb 9, 2008
    If you have OTA you are un affected However- IT's really CBS LOST AD revenue as it will have to list number of Lost viewers to to ad CO going forward - I say Bravo to DISH SHUT then off and Move on- Dish as with any other provider will let NOT their product price drop no matter how many stations they drop - so don't expect a priced drop anytime soon.
  13. Dec 4, 2014 #153 of 183

    TBoneit Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006
    You will most likely lose guide data and should set a manual timer just to be safe.

    I will be recording on a Hard Disk Drive DVD recorder in the Highest Quality setting and just in case I set a recording last night to record the block from 7:58PM to 11:05 PM on WCBS via cable. The next time I need to worry about is Sunday, Monday & Tuesday Evening and then back to Thursday. This will be a non event for me as the recorder has a skip forward and reverse rocker switch so i can jump past commercials easily. I have them set at 30 seconds forward and 10 seconds reverse currently.

  14. Dec 4, 2014 #154 of 183

    SomeRandomIdiot Godfather

    Jan 6, 2009
    Examining Q3 2013 to Q3 2012 Revenue for CBS:

    $3,266M Q3 2012
    $3,634M Q3 2013 +11.3% (During 30 day TWC Blackout)

    Yeah, CBS did horribly in Q3 Revenue while being off TWC for 30 days, ROFLMAO.

    Now, if we examine the impact on TWC:

    11,939,000 Video subs as of 9/30/2011
    12,159,000 Video Subs as of 9/30/2012 +1.8%
    11,414,000 Video Subs as of 9/30/2013 -6.1%
    10,827,000 Video Subs as of 9/30/2014 -5.1%

    Video Revenue
    $2,624M 3Q11
    $2,722M 3Q12 +3.7%
    $2,600M 3Q13 -4.5%
    $2,497M 3Q14 -4.0%

    Advertisers get guaranteed GRPs (Gross Rating Points). After the airing, posting occurs where if an advertising schedule has a deficit in total GRPs, CBS airs more spots free of charge (Make Goods). In other words, you see less Big Bang Theory or NCIS promos. Thus Advertisers really do not care about these spats - they always get what they paid for.

    Of course MVPDs do not "guarantee" delivery of the channels to subs, so you do not have that protection. Perhaps you should ask why TWC/Dish and others do not treat you as well as TV treats their customers. Perhaps Charlie should credit everyone $5.99 a month so they can sign up with CBS online!

    And as for "lost viewers":

    Persons 18-49
    ABC Flat Fall 2013 to Fall 2014
    CW Flat Fall 2013 to Fall 2014 <<< CBS/TWC
    CBS -2% Fall 2013 to Fall 2014 <<< CBS/TWC
    NBC -6% Fall 2013 to Fall 2014
    FOX -13% Fall 2013 to Fall 2014
  15. Dec 4, 2014 #155 of 183

    dmspen Hall Of Fame

    Dec 1, 2006
    Los Gatos,...
    Anyone have the number that's been splashed across CBS channel screens about this? NM FOUND IT!
    Between CBS, CW, TNT and Showtime, it's nearly a majority of the shows I record! This is truly a real deal breaker!

    If DISH can't get this deal underway soon, I'll be forced to leave. I have basic Comcast service as part of my internet (cheaper than not having it), but I would have to watch real time. It would be easy to swap to Comcast although it's not my first choice.
  16. Dec 4, 2014 #156 of 183

    TBoneit Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006
    Why not get a DVR from Comcast for the duration? I would get one from Optimum if I did not already have a way to record CBS from the Cable HD broadcast.
  17. Dec 4, 2014 #157 of 183

    SomeRandomIdiot Godfather

    Jan 6, 2009
    Why is your TNT out?
  18. Dec 4, 2014 #158 of 183

    bills Legend

    Nov 7, 2002
    I to saw was included
  19. Dec 4, 2014 #159 of 183

    patmurphey Godfather

    Dec 21, 2006
    December is free, worst case is ONLY if it goes into January AND the shows aren't into reruns. Can you point to a more economical way to deal with seeing first run HD episodes without waiting for Amazon Prime? CBS was stupid to offer free December for streaming if they were going to pull the channels now. But, maybe it doesn't matter if not many Dish customers took advantage of it.

    If it goes that far, Dish will probably give enough credits to pay, anyway.
  20. Dec 4, 2014 #160 of 183

    SomeRandomIdiot Godfather

    Jan 6, 2009
    If you pay for 1 month, that gives CBS more than Dish would pay them currently in a year - so they will be happy either way.

    And then again, if Dish gives you credit to pay for it, means Charlie made a REALLY bad move.
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