Dish FSN dispute - Channels Down

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    FSN is going to need to step up and keep the rate reasonable. This whole pay TV model is just getting out of control.


     
  3. Tiny

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    DISH AND SLING Will drop Fox sports south and Fox sports southeast fox sports Tennessee if this ends up like HBO im dumping dish
     
  4. dtv757

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    Yea all this "cord cutting " and broadcasting disputes are getting out of hand


    Even DirecTV in a fight with CBS and Nexstar

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  5. TheRatPatrol

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    Is Sinclair fully in charge of these FSN’s yet? If so, I wonder how thats affecting this negotiation now, and I wonder how its going to affect future negotiations with other FSN’s?
     
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    I think next year Sinclair takes over

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  7. James Long

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    Affected:
    Fox Sports Arizona
    Fox Sports Carolinas
    Fox Sports Detroit
    Fox Sports Florida
    Fox Sports Indiana
    Fox Sports Kansas City
    Fox Sports Midwest
    Fox Sports New Orleans
    Fox Sports North
    Fox Sports Ohio
    Fox Sports Oklahoma
    Fox Sports Prime Ticket
    Fox Sports San Diego
    Fox Sports South
    Fox Sports Southeast
    Fox Sports Southwest
    Fox Sports Sun
    Fox Sports Tennessee
    Fox Sports West
    Fox Sports Wisconsin
    SportsTime Ohio
     
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    Don't forget for the subs in Cubs territory...I GUARANTEE you that Sinclair's new Marquee network, WILL also figure into these negotiations... ;)
     
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    I think Dish, Direct, cable all need to come to some compromise, in regard to pricing. If the service wants to raise the price, try to get the best deal without dropping the channel(s). If they cannot, give in a just up the price for the package. No one wants to pay more, but we do all of the time anyway. Dropping channels just ticks off customers, and with so many streaming, satellite, cable options, the consumer can go anywhere and many are. Who knows how many subs Dish lost with the HBO/Cinemax thing? I know of a few that moved to Direct TV around here. This dropping channels is a lose lose situation. The viewer is sick of it.
     
  11. James Long

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    "These networks, which were sold to Walt Disney by the former 21st Century Fox as part of a larger deal and are slated to be sold to other parties in the next few months, are under Disney’s control at present, but are slated to be transferred to various buyers in coming weeks, and an interim group is overseeing carriage negotiations, according to a person familiar with the matter."

    I wonder who the interim group is? I'd expect them to be more closely tied to the new owners than the old since ABC/Disney will be giving control of most of the channels Sinclair in the next few weeks. The YES renewal is interesting since it is currently carried on Sling TV but not DISH satellite.

    Every contract comes up for renewal from time to time. Most renewals are negotiated and approved with no public "dispute". Sometimes the only way we know a channel is renewed is because of an announcement.

    ABC/Disney's negotiations over FX and Nat Geo may include ACC. If it means getting the new network at a reasonable price that could be good ... but if it means holding FX and Nat Geo hostage until DISH pays extortion it could be bad.

    The other Fox contract renewal (O&O stations and FNC/FBC/FS1) could be a problem. The networks continue to want more for their broadcast stations. But deals have been reached in the past.
     
  12. James Long

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    There needs to be a limit ... otherwise the channel providers would simply set whatever price they want ($40 for ESPN?) and following the rule you wrote, DISH would pay.

    The negotiations begin with the channel asking for more than they will get and DISH asking to pay as close to the existing cost as possible (if not less if there is a reason why the current cost is too high). The negotiations should end when both parties consider the agreement to be reasonable. Forcing DISH to accept whatever is on the table at the moment the contract expires to avoid a channel drop only leads to much higher rates.
     
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    I can't see for example ESPN for $40, as the programmers must realize that if the price gets up too high, ESPN will have less people viewing it as people would never continue to sub to a service. There must be a compromise somewhere.
     
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    That is the trouble. If ABC/ESPN/Disney says $40 is reasonable and DISH says $4 is reasonable who is right? Neither party? Then where is the price set? $22 since that is the average? A negotiation tactic where a provider "never drops a channel" quickly turns in to paying whatever the channel asks to avoid contract expiration.

    If ESPN entered the negotiation with a "never be dropped" policy then DISH would have the upper hand. Accept $2 per month or we'll drop your channels. ESPN would need to be deathly afraid of losing subscriber count to accept that offer ... so they would not enter the room with a "never be dropped" policy. Just like DISH does not enters the room with a "never drops a channel" policy. Neither policy works.

    $40 is an exaggeration ... but what about $20 or $10? At some point the ask price will be too much to continue carriage of the channel. Yes, there must be a compromise - but who is to say that it will be met by the end of the current contract? It is frustrating to have brief outages - sometimes more frustrating then the longer outages. With a short outage the thought is "couldn't they come to an agreement a week or two earlier and avoided the brief outage?" But with a longer outage it is more obvious that the parties were further apart.

    DISH vs Univision was a longer outage which was eventually resolved with the restoration of the channels. Details not disclosed (of course) but either a) DISH lost too many Latino package subscribers and needed the content back or b) Univision saw the value in DISH distribution and needed the subscriber count. Either way the compromise came months later.

    DISH vs HBO ended in a stalemate. AT&T|HBO threw down the gauntlet and told DISH to try to run their service without HBO - or pay HBO for a minimum number of subscribers that was higher than the number of customers willing to pay for HBO. DISH called --- and over the past few months (including the all important GoT airings and Veep final season) DISH got to find out if they could run their service without HBO. Apparently, they can. And HBO seems to be doing OK without the money they would have collected via DISH.

    I hope that the Fox negotiation goes well but the deadline is approaching. Perhaps a "short term" deal can be reached considering the pending transfer of ownership. We'll see.
     
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    According to DISH Promise | MyDISH | DISH Customer Support, it is FX, FXX, FXM, Nat Geo, Nat Geo Wild, and Nat Geo Mundo. Are there any other channels that Disney obtained from Fox that are not listed there?

    I was surprised that in the Fox News, Fox Business and Fox Sports 1 that nowhere Fox Sports 2 or Big 10 network were mentioned. Those must be on yet another contract cycle.
     
  16. Andrew Sullivan

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    Maybe I'm missing something but, for example, doesn't CBS and NBC etc charge say Geiko and General Motors and McDonald's etc for the commercial advertising? I assume that there is a substantial profit there. Of course perhaps they are showing these commercials at a loss and need to make it up by raising rates to satellite and cable companies. Isn't the main goal to get programming as well as commercials in front of the customer? You know, the folks that actually might buy that product? You know, the reason that you actually exist. FWIW, I get all of my locals off my antenna for free. Go figure.
     
  17. James Long

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    Broadcasters charge any way they can. Do you think CBS is charging advertisers less since their O&O channels (and a couple others) are not on DIRECTV? They are still collecting their advertising money. And they are probably downplaying the impact of losing DIRECTV distribution - correctly noting that the majority of viewers can still watch OTA or via other subscription services. What CBS is losing is the $ per DIRECTV subscriber. They are still getting their advertising and affiliation revenue.
     
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  18. Andrew Sullivan

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    You've made my point. They should be paying us to watch their content. No viewers equals no buyers equals no advertising money.
     
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  19. James Long

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    The point is that CBS has plenty of viewers without DIRECTV. Being off of DIRECTV isn't a huge effect on the bottom line. They are no where near the "no viewers" line by not being on DIRECTV.

    Slippery slope that argument and claim that CBS will pull their channels off of all subscription services other than the ones they own. Perhaps they will some day. If they do it will be because they make more money distributing the content themselves than through other distributors. But that is not today's plan.

    Pay viewers to watch? What are you drinking and are you sharing?
     
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  20. Andrew Sullivan

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    When you say that CBS has plenty of viewers you are going down the slippery slope. Unless you have some inside information on what CBS considers plenty of viewers then you are imposing what you consider plenty of viewers on CBS. I would think that losing tens of millions of viewers might mean something to the advertisers that spend millions of dollars advertising with CBS.
     

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