Dish FSN (Sinclair owned) dispute - Channels Down

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  1. Aug 14, 2019 #61 of 105
    Jim5506

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    College football, it's more popular than pro.
     
  2. Aug 15, 2019 #62 of 105
    techguy88

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    Something tells me that is Sinclair hinting to Dish to accept a separate deal with Disney while they have the opportunity otherwise the Fox RSNs maybe included in a future Dish/Sinclair retransmission negotiation if the dispute lasts that long.
     
  3. Aug 16, 2019 #63 of 105
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    Correct. Of the "big 4" pro sports, football's presence on RSNs is trivial. A couple of teams have some pre-season games and most have a half hour wraparound show. That is it. Zero meaningful NFL games on RSNs. Meanwhile, most EVERY MLB, NBA, and NHL game is on the local RSN.

    Actually, it isn't, but anyway, the MAJOR college football on RSNs is likewise almost as trivial. Of the "Power 5" leagues the ACC sub-leases 17 games to RSNs, all of which also show up on ESPN+ internet. The Big 10, Pac 12, and SEC have no games on RSNs. In the Big 12, each team gets to keep one game to sell on its own. Texas' is on its Longhorn Network. Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State 's games are on ESPN+, as will West Virginia (which is on AT&T Pittsburgh), Iowa State, Texas Tech, and Texas Christian's starting in 2020, as they have one more year on their local RSNs to work off their contracts. Oklahoma has one game on FSN Oklahoma.

    So of the Power 5 leagues, RSNs have a total of 22 games all year. Next year it will be 18.

    In the mid-major "Group of 5" The American, Conference USA, and the Mid-American, have no games on RSNs. The Sun Belt has five, and the Mountain West RSN has 10 , on AT&T Rocky Mountain. Of the independents, Notre Dame is on NBC, obviously; New Mexico State is on the internet; UMass is on NESN and/or the internet; BYU is on its own religious channel or the ESPNs; Army is on the CBSs. Leaving Liberty, which is on RSNs, but also ESPN+.

    The vast majority of football on RSNs is from the FCS, formerly and better known as Division I-AA, and locally produced small college games.

    The deal is about MLB, NBA and NHL.
     
  4. Aug 25, 2019 #64 of 105
    mwdxer

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    I heard the deal has been now signed and it looks like Sinclair has RSN's now. I wonder if Dish has a dispute in the with Sinclair, are the RSN's also on the chopping block? It looks like another no-win situation....It is just a matter of time...
     
  5. Aug 25, 2019 #65 of 105
    James Long

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    The now Sinclair RSNs are already off DISH in a dispute. Perhaps closing the sale will help since DISH should no longer need to deal with the interim negotiators that were in place during the transition. I don't know when the Sinclair locals are up for renewal ... but I expect next year's Cubs channel will be part of the discussion.


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    Dish FSN dispute - Channels Down

    Sinclair expects Dish to reach agreement with Disney, pick up Fox regional sports networks again
     
  6. Aug 25, 2019 #66 of 105
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    Is it Sinclair producing the Cubs network?...Or the Cubs organization?...Sure havent heard much noise about any of it?
     
  7. Aug 25, 2019 #67 of 105
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  8. Aug 25, 2019 #68 of 105
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    Good point as Dish has the old dispute going. Sinclair has their STIRR stream which offers a lot of free content including all of their diginets (Comet, Charge!, and TBD). I wonder if any of the RSN material will end up free?
     
  9. Aug 26, 2019 #69 of 105
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    RSN content won't end up free, other than maybe a teaser. Don't be fooled. No what will happen is Sinclair will bundle RSN fees with locals and manipulate the process. It's going to be a mess. The battle over RSN is the cost and then the tier the channel is in. Sinclair will want RSN in the lowest tier and Satellite/Cable wants in a higher tier. These channels cost like $5 a month or more now and not everyone wants them.

    So disputes with RSNs over time will get caught up and pull locals off....watch and see.

    DISH just installed an outdoor antenna for me - for free - as I am in a market that lost two locals....antenna works great and I am cancelling locals now.

     
  10. Aug 26, 2019 #70 of 105
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    Are your "antenna locals" integrated into your DISH dvr for recording?
     
  11. Aug 26, 2019 #71 of 105
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    Yes they are. Now - the Primetime Anytime doesNOT include OTA channels - so you have to setup timers individually .
     
  12. Aug 27, 2019 #72 of 105
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    Yes they are. Can gave 2 OTA feeds at the same time, so you can't record everything.

    I have not given up my DISH locals yet, But I do understand that I will lose ABC/NBC stream content when I do.

    It seems to work well, and I get subchannels for almost every station, basically a lot of old shows (METV, COZI, etc.), some more shopping networks, etc. There's a lot of stuff out there. Guide populates for some of these channels, but not all.

    It works.

     
  13. Aug 27, 2019 #73 of 105
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    Yes, that is one reason I keep everything on Dish including locals, as I would lose the "On Demand" stuff on my Roku/Firestick. That is a very nice free perk.
     
  14. Aug 30, 2019 #74 of 105
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    Yes, it seems to work now just fine. Two tuners though. That's a little limitation....so prime time anytime will need to be really focused into two channels. Not really sure this is the total answer....and all the RSNs dropping.....not really sure where all this goes.

     
  15. Sep 7, 2019 #75 of 105
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    I noticed that most of the Big 12 football games this weekend are on FSN. Is that one of the Regional FOX Sports nets that are currently dark on DISH?
     
  16. Sep 7, 2019 #76 of 105
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    Yep!
     
  17. Sep 7, 2019 #77 of 105
    Don M

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    Thanks. Are there any negotiations going on between DISH and Sinclair at this time?
     
  18. Sep 7, 2019 #78 of 105
    James Long

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    Probably. Although the channels have been off long enough that the initial damage is done.

    Game Finder lists games that are "unavailable".
     
  19. Sep 10, 2019 #79 of 105
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    I suspect that the FSN guys are contacting DISH every day. DISH seems resigned to pull the RSNs off the lowest tier 120 plus and insert them in a higher tier and sportspack.

    That's fatal to the RSN mode....that is, charging everyone $5 a month or so and then team owners get most of that.

    In time you will see RSNs failing - this model is going to break the back.
     
  20. Sep 10, 2019 #80 of 105
    James Long

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    Ergen: Dish May Never Carry Fox RSNs
    In my opinion, RSNs are seasonal. Many may not notice that their RSN is gone until they go looking for the content that is on that RSN. If their team isn't playing having the RSN isn't important. But when a customer can't watch a game the missing RSN becomes more noticible.
     

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