Dish FSN (Sinclair owned) dispute - Channels Down

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  1. Sep 11, 2019 #81 of 120
    Don M

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    I pay for a lot of channels I never watch. The RSNs have MLB and NCAA football, along with some HS football games. Why not do a poll and ask customers what they would be willing to pay for channels that might be lost? We lost seven or so channels when HBO and CINEMAX left. If National Geographic, FX, and FXM leave along with the RSNs will customers continue to stay with DISH. With all the streaming services that offer exclusive programming available, many with commercial free options, is the small dish in danger of going the way of the big dish? I hope not.
     
  2. Sep 11, 2019 #82 of 120
    mwdxer

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    I heard tonight that Direct may lose Disney. These
    constant fights will continue with all providers. The programmers want more money and providers are losing subscribers.
    It looks like the viewers that can stream may be looking elsewhere for the missing channels. At least with streaming there are no contracts or extra fees. If some service loses your favorite channels, then you switch to another streaming company.I have Dish, but I also have the Roku/Firestick, so I picked up HBO for a time. Lately I picked up Philo for BBC World and Aspire. The value of Dish, Direct, and cable will continue to diminish as they will continue to lose channels that may never return. You may be right, the days of satellite may be numbered. For that matter, so will cable, as they deal with the same thing.
     
  3. Sep 11, 2019 #83 of 120
    BillJ

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    ABC station in Chicago is running a crawler urging viewers to contact Direct to avoid losing the channel. The games never end.
     
  4. Sep 11, 2019 #84 of 120
    MysteryMan

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    Yeah, as if a commercial channel is hurting for money. They make millions with advertising fees and want more from service providers at the same time.
     
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  5. Sep 22, 2019 #85 of 120
    excalibur300

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    Any world on when (or if) the Fox Regional Sports Networks might return to Dish?

    Thanks
     
  6. Sep 23, 2019 #86 of 120
    Willh

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    well, there is no word from Sinclair over this dispute, and not only that, they are about to enter a dispute AT&T over the carriage of the stations they own in many markets and Tennis channel which could end up resulting in a blackout come this Saturday (contract ends on Friday Night).

    this dispute is unique as when it started, Disney owned (granted they only got it temporary after getting the Fox merger complete and have to sell them off quickly per orders of the DOJ/SEC/FCC). then Disney sold them to Sinclair (the sell agreement happened before the dispute, the final approval happened after the dispute began). plus Sinclair had had a bad history of getting into disputes, so i wouldn't be surprised if Dish decides that it ain't worth it anymore and this becomes a permanent dispute where the channels are gone for good. i wouldn't be surprised if Dish drops all RSNs once their contract expires. they have a couple of markets where there is no RSNs for that market cause they are either Comcast/NBCUniversal owned, AT&T/WarnerMedia owned, Charter Spectrum owned or in the case of YES!, and SNY, and Altitude (and Spectrum SportsNet LA), owned/co-owned by a team. so Charlie Cheapo will dump RSNs like he did to HBO & Cinemax
     
  7. Sep 23, 2019 #87 of 120
    James Long

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    See the quotes on the previous page ...
    "The longer the dispute drags on, the lesser the chances for a resolution, Ergen added, noting that after about one month without the networks, most customers will forget they ever had an RSN."

    The channels dropped July 26th - just under two months ago. As noted, I do not agree with Ergen about the "one month" - I believe subscribers will notice the channels are missing when they realize they are not seeing the sports they are accustomed to seeing on those channels (when their favorite teams are in their sports season). That being said, there certainly has not been a lot of complaints here.

    The good news is that the channels are still in the guide (unlike HBO/Cinemax and previously Univision) so there is hope that they will return. If the placeholders are removed worry more.
     
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  8. Sep 23, 2019 #88 of 120
    ibjimbo

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    "Most customers will forget they ever had an RSN." Charlie, I believe that is one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard.
     
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  9. Sep 23, 2019 #89 of 120
    dtv757

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    How can someone just forget they cant watch there local sports team ??

    Well sports fans at least

    Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
     
  10. Sep 24, 2019 #90 of 120
    William Preston

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    checked a few days ago and Warrens video hasn't changed at all unless he doesn't change his clothes :) I doubt any negotiations are going on
     
  11. Sep 25, 2019 #91 of 120
    James Long

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    A bunch of uplink changes, but the channels are still off ... did Warren Schlichting's suit change? The message says "continue" to block the channels.
     
  12. Sep 26, 2019 #92 of 120
    techguy88

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    In a statement released by AT&T Sinclair is trying to bundle the future Marquee Sports Network in with their agreement for their O&O stations. It has been reported Sinclair is asking $4 per sub for this channel for MVPDs to carry it. AT&T calls it the "one of the most expensive single-team RSNs ever with the Cubs in Chicago."

    AT&T also noted Sinclair wants to bundle the Fox RSNs in with this deal despite AT&T reaching an agreement with Old Fox in 2018 that covers the Fox RSNs. They also said Sinclair is asking "for carriage of multiple cable channels that don’t even exist or that Sinclair hopes to someday acquire."

    So if Sinclair is doing that to AT&T for D*, U-Verse TV, AT&T TV Now and AT&T TV then logically Sinclair is probably proposing deals for the Fox RSNs + Marquee Sports Network and Dish is probably saying no.

    Dish's last agreement for Sinclair O&O stations that was announced publicly was in 2015 so if this drags on too much longer Dish could be faced with negotiating for Sinclair for their O&O stations, Tennis Channel, Fox RSNs, Marquee Sports Network and possibly others.
     
  13. Sep 26, 2019 #93 of 120
    Tiny

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    FS 1 is removed tonight
     
  14. Sep 26, 2019 #94 of 120
    techguy88

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    FS1, FS2, Fox Sports Deportes, Fox Soccer Plus, Big Ten Network and Fox/MyNet O&O stations are part of the New Fox Corporation vs Dish Network dispute. Fox RSNs/Yes Network are now owned by Sinclair Broadcasting Group the channels are just using the Fox name for now.
     
  15. Sep 26, 2019 #95 of 120
    BobCulp

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    Just curious what happened to the college sports schedule on 148 ?
     
  16. Sep 27, 2019 #96 of 120
    James Long

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    DISH took it down when they added ACCN (August 29th). Initially ACCN was on both 148 and 402. ACCN was removed from 148 on September 11th.
     
  17. Sep 30, 2019 #97 of 120
    BobCulp

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    Fox has taken another channel down. 238 WWOR is the new casualty. I thought WWOR is a CW station that used to be an independent super-station. FOX has no business in owning non fox channels. I hate mergers and want to see competition return.
     
  18. Sep 30, 2019 #98 of 120
    mwdxer

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    Yes, I still have the Super Stations pack and WWOR is gone too. The rest of the Super Stations are there. At least WWOR is one I did not watch often.
     
  19. Sep 30, 2019 #99 of 120
    dishrich

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    You might be confused with the other NYC SS, WPIX - which IS (their) CW station...& which EW Scripps just took over ownership from Tribune a couple weeks ago.
     
  20. fmcomputer

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    Fox Sports Ohio still gone ....
     

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