Dish FSN (Sinclair owned) dispute - Channels Down

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  1. James Long

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    Not necessarily independent, but the superstations should be carried under the provision of the law that allows superstations with a statutory rate paid to copyright holders for the content on the station. The station owner would only control rebroadcast within the home market for the station.

    It does make it easier for DISH to not accidentally deliver WWOR in market during the dispute.

    (BTW: WGN ceased being a "superstation" years ago when the content separated from what was aired on on local WGN channel 9 in Chicago. WTBS went through the same transition.)
     
  2. Oct 1, 2019 #102 of 120
    techguy88

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    @dishrich is correct WPIX is the CW affiliate while that is currently owned by E.W. Scripps Company. It was formally owned by Tribune but was sold as part of the Nexstar-Tribune merger. WWOR is the New York MyNetworkTV O&O affiliate owned by Fox Corporation and is a sister station to Fox O&O WNYW.

    In the Chicago market Fox Corp.'s MyNetworkTV O&O WPWR held The CW affiliation from September 1, 2016 - August 31, 2019 when then Tribune owned WGN decided to revert back to being an Independent station in order to fulfill its commitment to sports programming that it had at the time. During this time WPWR held both the CW & MyNet affiliations and showed MyNet programming after The CW.

    Effective September 1, 2019 The CW affiliation for the Chicago market was transferred to Weigel Broadcasting's WCIU station as part of a deal between CBS and Weigel. WPWR reverted back to being a full time MyNet O&O. Nexstar's WGN is still an independent station but no longer has the rights to Cubs, White Sox (MLB), Bulls (NBA), and Blackhawks (NHL) games. Cubs and Sinclair are launching the Marquee Sports Network in the spring of 2020 while White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks have signed an exclusive deal with NBC Sports Chicago.

    Currently no Fox Corporation local station has an affiliation with The CW or any of the other Big 3. They are primarily Fox O&Os and in markets where Fox has a duopoly they have a MyNetworkTV O&O. The only exception to this is the San Francisco, CA market where Fox owns KTVU-Fox and KICU-IND and Nexstar owns KRON-MNT.

    Now a lot of Fox/MyNet local stations have affiliations with digital broadcast networks on their subchannels such as Heroes & Icons, Movies!, Light TV, Buzzr and Decades for example.
     
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    mwdxer

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    Some of those sub channels (Movies, etc) I have to take off my big dish as they are not available here.
     
  4. tsmacro

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    Well still no news and basketball season is less than a week away. My wife continues to grumble about it. I did talk to Dish and I was offered a bill credit (how much is hard to say the number kept jumping around the whole conversation) if Dish doesn't have the RSNs by the time season starts and I end up subscribing to a streaming service to get them. I know Dish doesn't want to pay too much for the channels but I wonder how much they lose by not only subscribers leaving but also people like me who will probably ultimately keep Dish but instead of upping my subscription to AT200 I'll be keeping it at the Flex Pack and on top of that they'll be crediting my bill. That's quite a few dollars each month they are losing out on. I'm sure they have someone who crunches all the numbers and figures out what makes sense, or at least I hope so, I'd hate to think they base all of this on Charlie's mood and stubbornness.
     
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    That's because it was tied to Sinclair's O&O local stations. AT&T didn't have to worry about losing the FSN channels in the short term because of their 2018 deal with Fox that previously included them. As various industry sites point out Sinclair is bundling Marquee Sports Network and YES Network into their negotiations.

    Charter and Sinclair came to an agreement on July 11th this year for local stations which bundled Tennis Channel and Marquee into the agreement. This deal also included the Fox RSNs that they were in the process of buying at the time.

    Thing is Dish hasn't carried YES Network and they probably have no interest in carrying Marquee right now. Dish probably wants a deal just for the Fox RSNs that they previously carried. Sinclair on the other hand wants as many distributors for all their RSNs as possible and are most likely trying to bundle YES and Marquee into any deal involving the Fox RSNs with Dish.

    Eventually Dish will have to decide whether or not to carry them if this lasts until their deal for Sinclair O&O stations + Tennis Channel expires Sinclair will then bundle them all together in 1 contract and Dish will have to either stick to their guns and face a massive locals blackout or give into Sinclair (like Charter and AT&T) and carry them all.
     
  7. inkahauts

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    If att had any brains they’d offer big discounts to dish subscribers to come over because of the RSN issues. But they are probably to dumb too.

    It will be interesting to see how big a hit dish takes in the new year. It may not affect them much the first month or two but I can see a loss of some subscribers after a significant amount of missed nba and nhl. MLB isn’t nearly as big a deal imho.
     
  8. techguy88

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    Actually its not dumb and the industry has been this way for years. MVPDs in general don't want to step on each other's toes when it comes to a blackout regarding channels they have no ownership in. It defeats the purpose of their PR awareness campaigns to the average consumer that blackouts happen to all providers and switching because of a blackout isn't the answer. In terms of local channel disputes the Mobile, AL DMA was a perfect example this summer as it was impacted by the Meredith-Dish dispute & Nexstar-AT&T dispute at the same time.
     
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  9. inkahauts

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    You clearly aren’t in Los Angeles where charter always pushes everyone else’s lack of carrying the Dodgers...
     
  10. NYDutch

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    Real Dish NHL fans subscribe to Center Ice and don't miss any games. I'll be watching Fox Sports Detroit's coverage of the Redwings/Canucks game tonight on 475-04. Even if a game is blacked out in your area, you may be able to stream it on NHL TV.
     
  11. James Long

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    Charter doing something is proof that it is stupid. :D
     
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  12. TheRatPatrol

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    Not if you live in the team’s territory.
     
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    How does NHL TV determine your location?
     
  14. TheRatPatrol

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    Your IP address.
     
  15. NYDutch

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    Well, my IP addresses change regularly, and right now one of them is out of Syracuse, NY (Spectrum), one is NYC (AT&T), and one is Boston (Verizon). No matter which one I try, NHL TV isn't blocking any games. If they really are geolocating, there's an easy way around it.

    Hmmm, on edit: I was testing NHL TV on my Android phone, and it appears they're using GPS to determine my location, which I can easily get past using the "Fake GPS" app. On my PC though, it doesn't matter which Internet service I use, the Rangers/Coyotes game is blacked out as I'd expect since I'm currently in NY. I'll have to play with that some more when the games are back on tomorrow night.
     
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  16. techguy88

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    I said "channels they have no ownership in" SportsNet LA is different because Charter owns 50% of the RSN and is the managing partner. After Charter came to the realization no one would accept the terms they wanted they market the channel as exclusive to Spectrum. This will most likely not change until other providers accept Charter's high asking price or until the Dodgers decide to find another partner after their contract with Spectrum ends (which won't be anytime soon). NBC Sports Philadelphia is a similar situation because Comcast owns 75% of that RSN and has used it as a tool to gain/keep customers from switching to DirecTV/Dish who must have that RSN.

    Obviously Spectrum will use their own service to market SportsNet LA and even SportsNet (in the event other providers drop it) if they have to. Their goal is to maximize profit from these channels in any way possible.

    Comcast will use the wonderful power of Xfinity and their X1 voice remote to push its own NBCUniversal suite of local, entertainment and sports channels if multiple providers begin to drops them.

    AT&T will show you the true meaning of "more for your thing that's our thing" via DirecTV, AT&T TV (and their other 3 video services) if providers begin to drop the WarnerMedia suite of entertainment and sports channels.

    However what you will not see is Charter Spectrum targeting Dish/Sling TV customers with special marking like "Hey you! We have your local FSN channel.... come to Spectrum for your favorite sports!" This is something Spectrum will not do which is step on Dish's toes while they are negotiating with Sinclair even though they just renewed their agreement. Same goes for Comcast, AT&T, Altice USA, etc. They know this will come back to bite them in the ass if those channels are ever blacked out on their systems and Dish/Sling has them.

    Case in point with NBC Sports Chicago, Comcast is only promoting itself with other providers to Dish/Sling TV customers who it has a renewed deal with. Despite DirecTV, U-Verse TV and AT&T TV Now carrying NBC Sports Chicago under an extension (deadline not known) they are not promoting AT&T services to Dish/Sling customers as alternate ones to switch to right now. However Comcast is not outright bashing AT&T like they are Dish/Sling.
     
  17. tsmacro

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    Well I'm trying out Fubo to get Fox Sports Indiana. Now to see if the Dish executive office actually gives me some credits like they said they would if they didn't have the channel back by the beginning of basketball season.
     
  18. inkahauts

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    Their internet has really been good for me, and I never have any issues at their stores, and they are always helpful and quick. It really is kind of weird to be honest...

    They also just bumped everyone in my area to 200 speed with no price changes.
     
  19. jsk

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    I think Dish is positioning itself as the low cost TV provider so they are willing to be more aggressive in negotiations. They saved me from cutting the cord entirely with the Flex Pack and I pay $47.99/mo (after a $10 refer a friend discount) and get most of what I want. I don’t watch sports, so I don’t pay for ESPN or any other sports and I get locals OTA so I don’t pay for them either (and I’m not affected by OTA disputes).
     
  20. tsmacro

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    Well I am happy to say that the Dish executive team did live up to their promise and did give a credit to help me offset the cost of having to subscribe to fubo to receive my regional Fox Sports channel. Hopefully they will end up reaching some kind of agreement though, while streaming works in a pinch it's a step down in platform, functionality and picture quality.
     
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