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Dish looking to debut Internet TV service this summer -Bloomberg

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Athlon646464, Apr 23, 2014.

  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Where DISH (and eventually DirecTV) will "win" is with exclusive content. A basic package that includes locals and at least the top channels from each provider cannot be replicated via Amazon or Netflix. While some content is available later, live or close to live content is missing.

    Perhaps the young people will search dozens of sources to find what they are looking for ... or watch illegal streams if no paid stream can be found. DISH will bring the benefit of having one source for content - a legal source (no rationalization or debate over "personal use" needed). And as the prices of all the pieces keep going up (the cost of Amazon Prime and Netflix increasing) DISH's packages will be competitive.

    Not having PayTV service is not a long term solution. Those that provide content are not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts ... they want money. Expect more content behind paywalls or susbcriptions.
  2. phrelin

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    Buried in the story underlying the thread Dish Is Partnering With This Startup To Make Cellphone Internet 1,000 Times Faster Than 4G is Charlie Ergen & Company's effort to capture the best of both worlds. Your cellphone doesn't need a faster connection for phone calls. What the headlines keep twisting is what it's all about. Think about how significant the headline Dish Is Partnering With This Startup To Make Cellphone Wireless Mobile and Local Internet 1,000 Times Faster Than 4G. Of course, such a system would allow you to piggyback phone service.

    Consider the benefits of having this capability along with your satellite TV service as described in a February Bloomberg article I linked in the February thread “This is as big a change to wireless as tubes-to-transistor was to electronics” (emphasis added):

    Like all new systems there are problems to be solved. The first one was for Perlman to find the right partner and he and Ergen have found each other. Not only does Ergen bring money, he also brings bandwidth, a lot of it, along with satellite technology. I could see a day when the uplink from your TV or whatever device to order streaming video would be via pCell wireless technology but downlink live TV (think sporting events in particular) could be via satellite in your home or business to avoid extremely high traffic volumes or wireless if you're mobile.
  3. Wilf

    Wilf Legend

    Oct 15, 2008
    Local cable/ISP (Atlantic Broadband) is offering Tivo's for their STB with Netflix capability included in the Tivo (separate Netflix subscription required). Seems like a more sensible approach than every cable/ISP trying to introduce their own Netflix-like service. While the ISP has not indicated this, adding Amazon and Hulu would seem like a logical extension.
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  4. sregener

    sregener Godfather

    Apr 17, 2012
    I grew up in a house without PayTV service. The broadcast model worked for many years, and it may see a resurgence as more and more people "cut the cord" and start using antennas again.
  5. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    If one is willing to give up the content then leaving PayTV is possible ... but it is not as simple as saying "we did it before, we can do it again". In the good old days content was either on the major broadcast stations or not available at all. Early cable stations thrived on bringing missing content to people. And over time leached content away from broadcast.

    The second challenge is in receiving a usable broadcast. In the good old days we lived with some static on our analog feeds but overall a decent picture. Receiving today's digital broadcasts is not as easy. Static is dropouts ... and we are spoiled by PQ. We're not going back.
  6. SeaBeagle

    SeaBeagle Legend

    May 7, 2006
    It is hard to leave a pay TV service. Network TV unlike 20 years ago has far to many reality shows, talk shows, court shows, comedies that never compare to what was on
    20 or more years ago.

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  7. sregener

    sregener Godfather

    Apr 17, 2012
    I gave up some content when I cancelled Dish. But far less than I thought I would. I record 2 shows a week, and I'm having trouble keeping up. My twice-weekly visits to the library and a large reserve queue mean I'm getting a ton of movies with 1-2 week borrowing windows. Sports is perhaps the biggest loss, but CBS just picked up half the NFL Network season, and ESPN3 has quite a lot of what I want to see.

    I hear the "digital reception is not easy" argument a lot, but my experience has been the opposite. Getting a good-looking analog signal was very difficult. Snow, noise and static were bearable but pervasive. However, with the digital revolution, I've been getting perfect, drop-out free reception for years. I have relatives who spent years struggling with reception using junky WalMart indoor antennas who now get all their stations perfectly.

    Mostly what I hear is chicken-and-egg type arguments: the programming is on cable, so you have to get cable to get the programming. But the truth is, the programming is where the viewers are, and there will reach a point where cord-cutters will mean that there simply aren't enough viewers on cable for those providers to outbid the broadcast networks. That's what I'm hoping for: a resurgence in broadcast television.
  8. sregener

    sregener Godfather

    Apr 17, 2012
    The truth is, there weren't that many good comedies 20 years ago. We remember the few that survived and made it, but there were a ton of flops and "Alf"-type shows. In 20 years, people will be asking why there aren't more shows like "How I Met Your Mother" and "Modern Family."
  9. Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Update: Dish Network to start streaming video service by early 2015

    Dish Network plans to launch a streaming TV video service of shows by Disney and other programmers by early 2015, trying to capture some of the over-the-top video business currently going to Netflix and Amazon....

    Full Story Here

    Joe Clayton, CEO of Dish Network Corp., and Charlie Ergen, chairman
    and co-founder, spoke Thursday about the Douglas County-based
    satellite company's plan to start a subscription online streaming video
    service, similar to Netflix or Hulu Plus.
  10. Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Update: Dish aims to mollify cord cutters with mysterious new Internet-TV service

    (Digitaltrends.com) - This week, Dish Network revealed that its upcoming over-the-top (OTT) live-TV service – which has remained enigmatic up to this point – is being developed for an audience that most pay-TV operators are loathe to placate: “Cord cutters, cord nevers and what we call cord haters,” said Dish’s GM of Interactive and Advanced TV, Adam Lowy.

    Bernstein Research analyst Todd Juenger was tasked with hypothesizing which channels Dish is likely to include in its OTT service, as well as how much each network would contribute to the overall subscription cost....

    Hypothetical Dish PSS Package:

    (courtesy of Multichannel News)

    Full Story Here
  11. maartena

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    Thing is.... I already get broadcast for free in very clear HD, and I don't need/want ESPN. For me, the package as listed above would just be a waste of $15, and the stuff available on all the other channels.... I can mostly get on Netflix or Hulu, albeit a season or 2 later in the case of Netflix.

    I don't think a cord cutter is going to smack down $30 (I am presuming Dish wants to make a profit off of the hypothetical list of $22 worth of channels) for an online TV service.

    The only advantage I can see in all this is for those who travel a lot, and want TV service on the go.
  12. RasputinAXP

    RasputinAXP Kwisatz Haderach of Cordcuttery

    Jan 23, 2008
    As someone who's preparing to call and cut the cord this week now that Game of Thrones is done...this is interesting, but that hypothetical list is worthless to me.
  13. Wilf

    Wilf Legend

    Oct 15, 2008
    It appears that Dish does not understand why folks cut the cord. And they're too late.
  14. Gloria_Chavez

    Gloria_Chavez Godfather

    Aug 11, 2008
    Let me see. One of the primary reasons people disconnect from PayTv is the "Sports Tax", a direct subsidy from the non-sports fan to the sports fan.

    And Dish thinks that making people pay the "Sports Tax" will draw subscribers to its new offering?
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  15. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Some people cut the cord because they can't afford to pay it. You can't fix that, because the economy is what it is right now.

    Other people are cord-cutting because they think they can get the content cheaper elsewhere... and some of it they can... for now... but that's a moving target that over time will cease to be as cheap by comparison. Enough people cut cords one of two things happens... Content goes away, or other options prices rise. Either way we will be having this discussion over and over for the rest of our lives... only one day the "cord cutter" movement will become a "cord grabber" movement because people will want to get away from the "greedy" cord-cut options and they will want their cord to save money! It all cycles around.
  16. nmetro

    nmetro Godfather

    Jul 11, 2006
    Aereo costs $8 and provides subchannels. Of course, Aereo still has to win their Supreme Court case about copyright infringement. If I had a chance to choose my channels:

    Denver Locals
    Big10 Network
    All channels in the BlockBuster Pack (EPIX, the Plex moves, et. al., EPIX DriveIn)
    Encore channels
    HDNet Movies

    And a few others.
  17. jsk

    jsk Icon

    Dec 27, 2006
    Fallston, MD
    I should pay less because I don't want the kids, sports and movie channels. My wife and I mainly want the news and some of the mainstream channels (i.e. A&E, Bravo, CNN, Al Jazeera, Lifetime, BBC America, MTV, etc.).
  18. SayWhat?

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    If I could pick from those above, my bill would be around $5/mo.
  19. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    So his guess ... add one's own grain of salt. ESPN for $7.49 without requiring other channels be carried? I don't think so.

    My guess ... packages similar to what one sees via satellite. Perhaps a locals/welcome package will be available (a certainty if Aereo wins). But expect something similar to AT120, etc. At about the same price.
  20. tommiet

    tommiet Godfather

    Dec 28, 2005

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