DISH Network and Voom Reach Settlement

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by tsmacro, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. Oct 21, 2012 #61 of 205

    ehilbert1 Godfather

    Jan 22, 2007

    Well when you take away some peoples sole purpose for posting in a thread it hurts.
  2. Oct 21, 2012 #62 of 205

    yosoyellobo Icon

    Nov 1, 2006
    Jacksonville Fl
    Originally Posted by steveT
    Given all the leverage they now had, I'm surprised Cablevision settled for "only" $700M. Given what all the analysts covering the case were saying, they might have actually gotten the full $2.4B.

    A bird in hand is worth...
  3. Oct 21, 2012 #63 of 205

    Nightmare Legend

    Nov 2, 2002

    I'd love to see the "Actual" program list of what he watches :grin:
  4. Oct 21, 2012 #64 of 205

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
  5. Oct 21, 2012 #65 of 205

    russ9 Godfather

    Jan 28, 2004
    I feel deader already!
  6. Oct 21, 2012 #66 of 205

    sregener Godfather

    Apr 17, 2012
    I never watch AMC, but I'm glad it's back anyway. I firmly believe that the more customers Dish has, the better that is for all Dish customers.
  7. Oct 21, 2012 #67 of 205

    APB101 Icon

    Sep 1, 2010
    Congratulations to the subscribers of Dish Network for finally seeing the return of AMC to the lineup!
  8. Oct 21, 2012 #68 of 205
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    The weird part here?

    Not that Rainbow settled for "only" $700 million... and certainly not the return of the current AMC channels.

    The weird part is... the wireless licenses given TO Dish.

    The court case was certainly tilting big time towards Rainbow... I'm sure AMC wanted the settlement to keep their ad revenue and to get their subscriber revenue back... and Rainbow surely wanted some money as well...

    But... how often do you see a settlement in a case that was clearly tilting more one way than the other... and not only does Dish get to save some face and get channels back... but they also literally profit somehow from getting these licenses?

    A $700 million + longterm AMC contract is a clear win for Rainbow/AMC... and a bird in the hand applies vs waiting for a court verdict that may yield more money but most certainly would mean no carriage of channels on Dish.

    But... that Cablevision had to still give something back to Dish?

    Oh, and don't forget... those Voom channels weren't carried by anyone else... so Dish didn't lose customers who went elsewhere to see them... and Dish saved that money for each year since breaking the contract... so how much savings was that? And applying that against the $700 million, did this really end up costing Dish anything on the bottom line considering what they got in return?

    Honestly... even with the short-term angst... you kind of have to look at this as a HUGE win for Dish.

    It's like being in a gunfight... and you're out of bullets... and the other guy can shoot you and take your stuff... but somehow you convince him NOT to shoot you, and instead give YOU some of HIS stuff on top of it.


    FYI... the "put it back in standby trick" worked for one of my receivers to get updated EPG data so I could set timers tonight for Walking Dead, Talking Dead, and Comic Book Men.

    All I missed (with the Walking Dead repeat tonight) would be last week's Talking Dead + last week's Comic Book Men... so all-in-all, a good end to a weekend here and I'll have a bunch of TV to watch later tonight after football!
  9. Oct 21, 2012 #69 of 205

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    ^^ Yeah, where did the wireless stuff come from? How did that even get into the mix? That's one of the first things I noticed in the OP.

    Almost sounds like Dish got the sweeter deal.
  10. Oct 21, 2012 #70 of 205

    fudpucker Godfather

    Jul 23, 2007
    NW Iowa
    AXS on 362. AMC back up.

    Talked yesterday to a high end corporate lawyer from the global company I used to be a director at. He was the guy who prepped me when I had to testify at a $1.6 Billion suit (that our arrogant CEO refused to admit we were wrong on.) He's been following this suit, and he is also a bit surprised that they didn't hold out for more from Dish. He said it was very, very clear that Dish was going to lose, and lose in a way that showed that they lied, they destroyed evidence, and more, and he felt that they would end up paying the full amount.

    His take is that this gives the Voom folks their money quickly, no appeals. He also said don't discount things in the settlement that we may not see. Without seeing actual cash value of the airway licenses, he couldn't comment on that (he's digging in to figure that piece out.)

    Bottom line, he said: When court is cut off short as soon as damning evidence is produced, you know who is dictating the terms at the table.
  11. Oct 21, 2012 #71 of 205

    StringFellow AllStar

    Jan 5, 2012
    Guide on my Hopper has info up until 9pm. I can record the 8pm showing of TWD. Any tips on how to handle DVRing the 9pm showing since there is no guide data? I am sure it will be rerun at some point but I would like to DVR it tonight.
  12. Oct 21, 2012 #72 of 205

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    Manual timer start/stop.

    Or can't you do that on a 'Roo box?
  13. Oct 21, 2012 #73 of 205

    StringFellow AllStar

    Jan 5, 2012
    Can't do that on a Hopper as far as I am aware??
  14. Oct 21, 2012 #74 of 205

    TheRatPatrol Hall Of Fame

    Oct 1, 2003
    Phoenix, AZ
    I'm really surprised MSG wasn't included in the settlement deal.
  15. Oct 21, 2012 #75 of 205

    klang Hall Of Fame

    Oct 14, 2003
    For the VIP receivers a 'check switch' will force another download of the guide. Don't know if that works for the Hopper but it might be worth a try.
  16. Oct 21, 2012 #76 of 205

    dunkonu23 Legend

    Sep 10, 2006
    Hot Damn, Billy Bob!!!! :) No more threats from me! :)

  17. Oct 21, 2012 #77 of 205

    tampa8 Godfather/Supporter

    Mar 30, 2002
    I also was wondering how much Dish didn't pay by not carrying Voom against the 620 million paid now.
  18. Oct 21, 2012 #78 of 205

    garys Hall Of Fame

    Nov 4, 2005
    Can you just add the 8pm showing and extend the end by 1 hour?
  19. Oct 21, 2012 #79 of 205
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    As I alluded to earlier... 922 receivers don't allow you to force an EPG update... and since the Hopper is built-off the same firmware, I can only assume the same to be true.

    I'm also assuming the put-the-receiver-in-standby-for-a-bit trick will work the same for a Hopper as it does for a 922.

    Basically you have to wake the receiver and make sure you're seeing the new channel in the EPG... then put the receiver back in standby.

    I usually go it for 30 minutes at least... and as long as nothing is being recorded while in standby, that seems to allow the receiver to do some longer-term EPG updates for new uplinks like this.

    It works for me anyway.
  20. Oct 21, 2012 #80 of 205

    jsk Icon

    Dec 27, 2006
    Fallston, MD
    I am getting AMC and getting AXS and only have AT250. AXS/HDNET was part of AT250 and the BB package before.

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