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Dish Network Drops CSN California - Channel Restored 2/3/11

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by forecheck, Nov 24, 2010.

  1. Nov 26, 2010 #21 of 128
    KEEFP

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    CSNBA (419) doesn't have any HD programming - is this due to the dispute with Comcast?
     
  2. Nov 26, 2010 #22 of 128
    dstout

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    I don't understand you guys that tell somebody that is upset about a channel being dropped to hit the road.

    What if it was your favorite channel? Your favorite show?

    Do you guys get Christmas cards from Charlie or something?

    Unless they are sending you a check, I don't understand your loyalty to a provider.
     
  3. Nov 26, 2010 #23 of 128
    normang

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    Some people are realists and learn to deal with it.. Others, not so much..
     
  4. Nov 26, 2010 #24 of 128
    dstout

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    Norm,

    Do you mean, learn to deal with their tv provider getting fights with programmers?
     
  5. Nov 26, 2010 #25 of 128
    normang

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    Not sure how long you've been a Dish Sub DSTOUT, but in the 12 years or so I've been one, its happened several times where channels have come and gone. Sometimes several of them in the case of Rainbow HD channels a few years ago. Some I miss, some I don't.

    However threatening to switch to another service as I see it doesn't accomplish much, the same thing could happen to the other provider at negotiation time, or you pay more somewhere else for the privilege of getting that one channel, perhaps at the sacrifice of others that the other service may not carry, that perhaps you don't care about as much, but you still may not have the same channels as you did before. Or you wind up with inferior equipment to what Dish provides potentially at a higher price.. But you have that missing channel.. Which may eventually come back on Dish..

    Then there is the hassle of canceling your service, possibly returning leased equipment or selling it, getting new service, installing new equipment, perhaps paying early termination fees if your on a contract. But you got that channel back...
     
  6. Nov 26, 2010 #26 of 128
    dstout

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    Norm,

    I am not a DISH sub,I used to be.

    Dropping channels is why I wouldn't be. I know DirecTV has had their issues too, but they don't seem to be as frequent.

    I really don't buy what Charlie is selling(that he cares about the consumers bill).
     
  7. Nov 26, 2010 #27 of 128
    elbodude

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    This does is it for me and Dish. I give them a week max, or I am gone. ETF or not.
     
  8. Nov 26, 2010 #28 of 128
    jeffgbailey

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    and its interesting how the "Charlie backers" are saying he's fighting to keep the bills lower yet didnt Dish do a 2 time raise on prices/receiver fees this year?
     
  9. Nov 27, 2010 #29 of 128
    eudoxia

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    However there is a possibility that by switching providers you will get the channels you want and save a lot of money to boot. This is what will currently happen if I fire Dish and goto DTV (which I'm about to do). I will have the same channels I like, however some are not HD yet (which will eventually happen). Yeah some different equipment I'll have to get used to, but the programming is the most important to me and Sharks hockey is very important to me. We each have our preferences and as consumers should choose the best product for the best price.

    Worst case scenario, I don't like the DTV product. I still pay lower bills for 2 years and when my time is up, I switch back to Dish and probably get a GREAT DEAL as a new customer (because they always get the better deals)

    I don't follow your logic.
     
  10. Nov 27, 2010 #30 of 128
    normang

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    If you think you'll save $$ go for it.
     
  11. Nov 27, 2010 #31 of 128
    Stewart Vernon

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    Think about it this way...

    Customers can switch providers and save money for 1-2 years... and many do this regularly. It's fine if you don't mind switching everything up every couple of years, and it's your right to do so.

    Similarly, the providers sometimes decide to negotiate for lower contracts and sometimes drop channels if they don't like the prices. This is similarly their right to do just like you have the right to switch providers to save money when it suits you.

    It isn't a matter of "defending" Charlie... it's more a matter of recognizing reality at work.
     
  12. Nov 27, 2010 #32 of 128
    DodgerKing

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    But when you lose channels over pricing AND the prices on that provider are not that much different than others, is it really worth it? Especially when they lose subs as well and lose channel more frequently than any other provider
     
  13. Nov 27, 2010 #33 of 128
    normang

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    The issue here is that you really don't know what the cost is or the impact might be, this has never been public knowledge that I've seen.

    Unless you have inside data, that tells you what the cost is, and what the potential impact is, its all just a guess.

    The bottom-line is that the system maybe broken, too many programmers with speculative programming all wanting more money for someone to deliver their channel, one would think that this is a symbiotic relationship, the programmer has content, Dish and others have delivery.

    You would think delivery would have an upper hand in this, no one sees your programming unless its delivered. But because there is usually only one programmer source in the mix for a channel, and there are multiple delivery providers, consumers can jump all over the place to get the channels they want.

    While this is perhaps a good thing for the consumer, it allows the programmer to keep jacking up the prices, because the delivery system in competition with each other lets them do it, because all it takes is one provider that gives the programmer what he wants, then gives the programmer the basis to say; see, my channel is worth X, for the rest of them, even if its really not.

    Course there is probably a slew of other issues and details that can go into a negotiation for a channel delivery contract, but this is going to happen over and over again, and people are going to do whatever they want, even if its to their disadvantage in some, but not all cases to get what they want.
     
  14. Nov 27, 2010 #34 of 128
    DodgerKing

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    All I know is that Dish subs are not paying that much less for most COMPARABLE setups as subs with other providers and these other providers do not lose channels near as often as Dish.

    (Don't compare average price per sub as this does not apply. I said comparable setup. Other providers offer packages, such as ST, which raises the mean price).
     
  15. Nov 27, 2010 #35 of 128
    GrumpyBear

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    In those same Base packages, Dish subs get alot more HD channels, almost 20 more nowadays vs most others, without having to spend more on extra sports channels, or in PPV/Cinema channels, as they would with other providers, telco's, cables, or Direct. As for channel pricing disagreements, once the economy went south, and since it really hasn't bounced back, we see more and more agruements over pricing with just about every carrier, granted Charlie and Dish did it even when the economy was being inflated on a false high. Cable and Telco companies fight with providers, Dish and Direct have been fighting with providers as well. Just like with Vs, and Now G4, with Direct, Dish will get this sports channel resolved.
    Sorry except for Voom, and Smithsonian, nothing has left Dish that hasn't comeback once the fight over pricing, was resolved.
    Name a provider, you can find a fight, or a upcoming fight. Dish fights over pricing while adding as many HD channels as possible into the base packages. Carriers like Direct, wait years, to add popular channels. Trying to figure out which is worse, having to wait years for a channel to show up and then having to deal with a pricing battle, or just having to deal with a channel being SD only or subsituted during a pricing battle.
     
  16. Nov 27, 2010 #36 of 128
    Greg Bimson

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    Does anyone think that it may be a bit disingenuous: Dish Network asked for the arbitration process but then had no problem walking away when the outcome wasn't to their liking.

    I'm all for using the tools at your disposal, but when arguing that you need to keep rates down while increasing your rates twice and terminating three sets of channels this year makes it look like the customers are a bunch of tools.
     
  17. Nov 27, 2010 #37 of 128
    Eksynyt

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    If Dish keeps having these idiotic carriage disputes, they're gonna go bankrupt. I hope it happens.
     
  18. Nov 27, 2010 #38 of 128
    GrumpyBear

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    Totally agree, that Dish is in the wrong on this particular issue CSN. You can't ask for arbitration, and then run away from it. Granted I am still getting channel 419 it must only be the HD version of the channel, with the issue. What are the 3 channels sets that were terminated?
     
  19. Nov 27, 2010 #39 of 128
    cjrleimer

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    To me I am a direct tv subscriber but I dont hope it happens because monopolies in America are not good for consumers.
     
  20. Nov 27, 2010 #40 of 128
    tsmacro

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    East...

    If you ever have anything original to add to the conversation please feel free to speak up. But I think most of us here have seen that same post by you enough times that it's no longer necessary. We all know it's your favorite thing to say at this point, no need to post it ever again, really. :rolleyes:
     

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