Dish open to merging satellite TV business with AT&T's DirecTV: report

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  1. Jun 10, 2019 #41 of 161
    Ronald Kohlman

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    I don't trust Streaming. It rely's on internet, if the internet service goes down....no TV. I will always subscribe to a cable or satellite service first. I had Directv for 15 years and now i'm with Dish. I tried some streaming services and always had problems, it wasn't my equipment or my internet either, I get up to 600 mbps from my cable company. I have tried Youtube TV , sling, and philo. Not impressed, these services can not offer what Dish has given me especially the Hopper 3 DVR. If a merger happens great, I hate AT&T, they ruined Directv for me. Long live Satellite TV!!!!!!!!
     
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  2. Jun 11, 2019 #42 of 161
    inkahauts

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    You are missing something with your theory. Att has been wanting to go all wireless for over a decade and every time they stop uverse expansion for a bit that’s the reason. And then it starts back up.

    It’s a pipe dream to think wireless will ever be as easily accessible as satellite and it’s also shocking to me so many people think att doesn’t care about using the massive amount of bandwidth that DIRECTV satelites supply for the one thing they can do best.

    There is zero chance they are gone by 2025. Zero. Att can’t even get out of the pots business!

    With that said I agree they aren’t merging. Att wouldn’t let go anytime soon and while I do think att is dumb enough to want to buy dish at some point I don’t see them getting that past regulators.

    The logistics aren’t as bad as you’d think. They’d just keep running them as separate companies equipment wise and satellite wise (mostly) All the synergies would be installers and channel contracts, and backend for tv everywhere products.

    The biggest problem is the ceo doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing and says whatever and does whatever he thinks investors will want instead of thinking about how to build a top notch vertically and horizontally diverse media and communications company. If they could find someone who has a clue everyone would be better off.
     
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  3. Jun 11, 2019 #43 of 161
    Steveknj

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    Yep that's me. I remember the wars between the Dolans and MSG (before they owned MSG) and then they had the same battle with YES. Now that the Dolans no longer own Optimum (then Cablevision), I'm more likely to go back.
     
  4. Jun 11, 2019 #44 of 161
    Steveknj

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    I really think they borked their DirecTV Now product, and I think a lot of that has to do with their TW merger and having no clear path in how to implement DirecTV NOW after that purchase. I'm really beginning to think they are going to sunset NOW (and maybe even Satellite) in favor of a different model TBD.
     
  5. Jun 11, 2019 #45 of 161
    Rich

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    The idea of using an ATT app for streaming after watching what they've done to D* nauseates me. Yeah, I'd think a streaming app would be a lot easier to administrate but I've got a feeling they'd screw that up too.

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  6. Jun 11, 2019 #46 of 161
    Rich

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    I've considered Optimum/Altice. Seems almost as expensive as D*. I have no idea what their DVRs are like now. I tried a couple of them a few years ago and they were terrible. Maybe they are better now since Altice came on the scene. I know our Internet service has improved and they're running fiber in town. I'm kinda disgusted with the way D* is being run now and if I have to make any more calls to ATT CSRs I might take a shot at Optimum. Just the thought of calling and talking to those nitwits upsets me.

    Know anything about the Optimum/Altice DVRs?

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  7. Jun 11, 2019 #47 of 161
    Rich

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    One of our members recently switched from D* to Dish and quickly came back. Came back here and told us what he didn't like about Dish. Can't tell you how much that impressed me, takes a big man to fess up to a mistake publicly. Makes me wonder what you found that was so much better. And, I gotta ask, how long did it take you to decide you didn't like streaming?

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  8. Jun 11, 2019 #48 of 161
    NashGuy

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    I've no personal experience with them but their new Altice One system looks pretty slick. Definitely a more modern UI and feature set than the Genie. Of course, you can't really know how the UX would actually compare without getting the remote in your own hands.
     
  9. Jun 11, 2019 #49 of 161
    poppo

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    I agree. Everyone here still has a landline. They may also have a cell phone, but cell reception is to bad that it can't be relied on in homes. What many people don't realize is that the earth is not flat. Many hills and valleys here and just no way to get the coverage and the cell companies are not going to invest in more towers because it is not cost effective. I need a 50 foot mast for my WISP (internet) just so I can (barely) hit the the water tower that has the access point.
     
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  10. Jun 11, 2019 #50 of 161
    Rich

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    I have looked at the Altice One. I'd have to try one. Since the only thing I'd need it for is sports the remote is very important. Hard to believe those remotes would be as good as the D* remotes. Really need to hear about this from someone with Altice DVR hands on experience.

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  11. Jun 11, 2019 #51 of 161
    MysteryMan

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    Same here. I live in a very rural area on 52 acres of land. My house is 300 feet from a state route. Many hills and valleys here also. Our house is located in a dead zone. If I want to use my cell phone I have to go 70 feet behind my house to pick up a signal. Tried using cell boosters but to no avail. Landlines in my area are essential.
     
  12. Jun 11, 2019 #52 of 161
    NashGuy

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    You'll probably have better luck getting honest user feedback over in the Altice/Optimum forums at DSLReports.com.

    OptimumOnline forum | DSLReports, ISP Information
     
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  13. Jun 11, 2019 #53 of 161
    Rich

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    I agree with Inky too. What folks think here about sat service is very different than what most of America thinks about satellite services, I would think. I'd be willing to bet that most sat subs will hang on to their sets for many years/forever. Cable doesn't seem to be dying. Why would a sat company just give up? I'd take a sat subscription over cable any day. That said, I can certainly see ATT getting out of the sat business.

    Just look at how many posts we've seen here about how difficult and overwhelming streaming is. Think Joe Sixpack is just gonna make that switch? I kinda doubt that. Coming off cable in 2002 I found the transition to D* difficult. Just show someone who's never used Netflix the first window with the columns and rows, see how they react to that. I know I was overwhelmed the first time I tried streaming NF.

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  14. Jun 11, 2019 #54 of 161
    TV_Guy

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    If Joe Sixpack is tired of paying $100, $150 or $200 for a cable/satellite package that consists of channels that mainly go unwatched he will try streaming. Don't discount the economic incentive. There are a bunch of $50 a month streaming services that contain most of what Joe Sixpack watches.
     
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  15. Jun 11, 2019 #55 of 161
    b4pjoe

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    I could live with Youtube TV for $50 per month if it was just me. It is not just me in our household though and Mrs. Joe Sixpack likes her DirecTV just the way it is. Plus when I tested Youtube TV I never much cared for being forced to watch commercials on the Cloud DVR. Mrs. Joe Sixpack won't even watch a show with OnDemand for that very reason. She would rather not see it at all then to be forced to watch the commercials. If all DVR's go to that we will probably have to stop watching TV. :D
     
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    TV_Guy

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    The forced commercials on YouTube TV Cloud DVR seems to be limited to a few networks. I know CBS has this issue. The workaround that I found is to watch the program the same evening it airs before the On Demand version gets substituted. Considering the price difference, if you have OTA reception you could buy your own DVR with the savings between YouTube TV and your average cable/satellite package. A four tuner Tablo DVR sells for under $200. Would pay for itself in under 6 months.
     
  18. Jun 11, 2019 #58 of 161
    b4pjoe

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    No OTA here in the rural area. Nearest TV stations are about 60 - 75 miles away.
     
  19. Jun 11, 2019 #59 of 161
    TV_Guy

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    I agree it's not a great "feature". Hopefully the trend will be away from forced commercials as a number of networks have moved away from the forced commercials in Cloud DVR. On balance the unlimited DVR offered by YouTube TV does offer a lot of flexibility.
     
  20. Jun 11, 2019 #60 of 161
    James Long

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    Reading beyond the headline:
    "While decision makers for AT&T and Dish Network are reportedly open to combining their eroding satellite TV operations, such a deal would not be favorable for AT&T, according to JPMorgan analyst Philip Cusick."
    "Cusick, however, is in favor of a deal that adds U-verse and DirecTV Now to the mix."

    Two things, one: The analyst supports a complete merger (DISH+DIRECTV+SlingTV+DIRECTV NOW+UVERSE). But the concept of spinning off the satellite would not work (in his opinion). I agree with the analysis. And the second thing: AT&T is open to combining operations. So it isn't just DISH's long time desire to own satellite distribution.

    So while a "merger" would be a long way off perhaps there is room for cooperation. AT&T|DIRECTV could follow the Ka/RB path and sell their transponders at 110 and 119 to DISH. In the past it would have been easy to dismiss such an action - why would DIRECTV help DISH? But (as previously noted) I believe AT&T will follow the money. If they can make more money selling the licenses than using them, why not?
     
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