Dish open to merging satellite TV business with AT&T's DirecTV: report

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  1. Jun 12, 2019 #81 of 158
    phrelin

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    I base my "future of TV" opinion on the fact that my grandkids, the oldest of whom is 23, aren't watching much that cannot be viewed on a smart phone.
     
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    Yep. Over the past few years, Apple's Tim Cook said "We believe the future of TV is apps." He's right. All TV will be distributed through apps, accessible on the device of your choice (including smartphones), whether at home or out of home, whether on wifi or cellular. However, some of those devices (service-provided TV-connected streamers) will sport a UI that makes it seem like their own pay TV service isn't really an app but rather just the main UI. That's what AT&T TV will do with their own Android TV-powered streaming box. It's currently in beta testing.
     
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    Not sure how many people want to tie up an hdmi port with a single function device. Due to app incompatibility people already need a Roku and an Amazon Fire Stick to run certain apps. Maybe they will offer an hdmi switch for people that don't have a spare hdmi port.
     
  4. Jun 12, 2019 #84 of 158
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    Fake news! This originated from a "what if" story. There was no deal ever discussed between the two companies. Now every news outlet has ran with it that it's going to happen or an attempt will be made. I doubt anything comes of this.
     
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  5. Jun 12, 2019 #85 of 158
    NashGuy

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    AT&T's Android TV box will have Netflix and YouTube (plus Google Assistant) pre-installed, and also have full access to the Google Play app store, where users can download Hulu, Amazon Prime Video, ESPN+, CBS All Access and lots more popular apps. There will be a few apps/services missing (e.g. Apple TV+) but not many. For the vast majority of users, it will replace their Roku, Fire TV, etc.
     
  6. Jun 12, 2019 #86 of 158
    James Long

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    tldr .... Perhaps you believe longwinded essays are instantly correct simply because you use so many words? I have expressed my opinion in less words and don't need to repeat it.
     
  7. Jun 12, 2019 #87 of 158
    NashGuy

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    Nope, I believe my essays are correct (or at least plausible) because they employ logical reasoning and are based on observable facts. I enjoy a good back-and-forth of ideas. If you can point out to me where the fault in my reasoning lies, I would appreciate it. I'm open-minded. But there's no need for ad hominem disparagements.
     
  8. Jun 12, 2019 #88 of 158
    James Long

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    As noted, my arguments are in previous posts in this thread.
     
  9. Jun 12, 2019 #89 of 158
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    For the sake of argument, let's say the the Android box replaces an existing Roku or Fire TV. Is AT&T looking to charge a monthly rental for each device? If they are, I don't see how this can fly. People either already own a device or could purchase one for a one time fee.
     
  10. Jun 12, 2019 #90 of 158
    NashGuy

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    I don't have any solid info on that, other than some internal rumors I've read among (supposed) AT&T employees who say that AT&T wants to get out of the whole business of renting TV set-top boxes. Which makes sense. Think about the cost of shipping those things back and forth via UPS (their exclusive shipper), checking them out when they come in, cleaning/refurbishing them. Who needs it?

    This little Android TV box is basically along the lines of a 4K HDR Roku Ultra (but running AT&T's customized version of Google's operating system). So there are no tuners in it. There's no hard drive in it. AT&T is buying them in bulk from Samsung and/or WNC, so I'm sure they're getting a great rate on them. (Here's the box, BTW: Android TV Guide - AT&T - DIRECTV)

    For a lot of DirecTV Now's history, they were giving away Apple TV 4K boxes (retail value $180) if you prepaid for either 3 or 4 months of service. I snagged that deal on Dec. 31, 2017 (thinking it might be the end of the deal) and paid $140 ($35 x 4) for 4 months of the cheapest tier of DTV Now and scored a free Apple TV 4K. I honestly didn't care much about the cable channels, but I was going to buy an Apple TV 4K anyhow. May as well save $40 and get 4 months of cable TV to boot!

    If they were willing to offer that kind of deal on a far more expensive streaming box, I tend to think that they'll throw in their own (far cheaper) custom streaming box for free to customers who prepay for maybe 2 or 3 months of AT&T TV. Prepay 4 months and get 2 boxes! Heck, for their higher value customers who bundle AT&T TV in with AT&T Internet, they may just immediately send them 2 boxes as soon as they sign up.

    That's my hunch as to what will happen. But I absolutely could be wrong. Maybe they'll try to rent them for $5/mo each. IMO, that would be a mistake. They should just accept where the market has moved to and go with it. It would be a great PR move on their part and by giving folks a customized box and full-fledged voice remote (with channel up/down, volume up/down, 0-9 keypad, last channel, etc.), they would increase the chances that customers have the best experience possible (especially more traditional cable TV subscribers who aren't cord-cutter types).

    Either way, I believe that these boxes will be optional. I don't think there's any going back to the model of trying to force customers to use your own box. So you'll be able to stream AT&T TV through their apps for Apple TV, Roku, Fire TV, iPhone, iPad, Android, and maybe some smart TV brands such as Samsung, Sony and LG.
     
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    NashGuy you seem to have thought about this a lot and it even makes some logical sense...however, this is AT&T we're talking about and I could see them trying to stick users with a $7 per month per TV box that only has DirecTV on it and not allowing other apps from any play store (Google, Amazon, etc...). When they talk about this streaming option is going to be cheaper than satellite they are probably talking about it being cheaper for AT&T and not their users. I can't see them killing off that cash cow per month charge for each box for each TV.
     
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    James Long

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    Yep. "Bring your own box" is common with streaming services, but when AT&T starts to provide boxes expect there to be a fee. (Similar to T-Mobile's new "TVision" offering - $10 per box!)
     
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    Yes, I have thought a lot about all this. (A strange amount to be honest, ha.) I find it kind of fun to piece together all the clues and try to figure out what's going to happen. I also enjoy the back and forth discussing it on forums like this. (Everyone needs a hobby, I guess.)

    As I say, I could well be wrong about my hunch that AT&T will give these boxes away as promotional items to new subscribers. Maybe they'll simply sell them for, say, $60 each (which is barely more than an Amazon Fire TV Stick with 4K HDR costs) but they'll come with a coupon for a certain amount ($30?) off your first month of AT&T TV service (like Sling TV does with their own AirTV Player, which is their own customized Android TV box). Or maybe you're right that they'll rent them for $7/mo each (despite the fact that Comcast Xfinity TV rents their new X1 IPTV boxes for $5/mo each).

    As for the capabilities of this box, I'm much surer. It supports 4K HDR (both HDR10 and HLG). It has a full-featured voice remote with Google Assistant built in. Here's a photo of the new redesigned remote (based on beta tester user feedback):
    Directv Now Streaming Box Beta

    The box been in beta testing by DTV Now subscribers since Dec. and they've posted info about it online. Since it runs Google Android TV, it's had Google's own apps (Google Play Store, YouTube, Google Play Movies & TV, Google Play Music, etc.) since day one. It recently gained special approval from Netflix to run their app, which is now pre-installed on it, per tester reports. (See the Netflix logo by it here.) It has always had access to Hulu's app for Android TV through the Google Play Store, although it's the old version of that app that doesn't support their Live TV or premium add-ons (e.g. Showtime, Starz, etc.). Google says they're working with Hulu to get the new design app for the platform. Amazon announced a few week ago that they will make their Prime Video app (with 4K HDR!) for Android TV freely available through the Google Play Store (in exchange for Google making their YouTube app available on Fire TV). Beyond that, AT&T's CEO himself has mentioned how users will be able to stream Netflix and other popular apps on AT&T's "thin-client device," which is what he calls this box.

    So you can rest assured that this box will have the streaming basics covered. What it will cost, whether it will be buy or rent or free, who knows. I can only speculate on that.
     
  14. Rich

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    Yeah, the kids are really gonna change things. My 29 year old son does watch some TV shows but he would rather be on a computer. My soon to be 11 year old granddaughter has no interest at all in TV sets. I bought her a very small, very cheap set a year or two ago and we keep asking her if she wants a bigger set. No interest at all.

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    Drop that age to 10-12 and they don't watch TV as we know it at all. Perhaps they are smarter than we give them credit for.

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    There are alternatives out there for folks that want more HDMI ports. My Samsung TVs have 4 HDMI ports, if I use an AVR I can add more ports to that total. There are ways to do that now.

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    If ATT is dumb enough to put a monthly charge on each device who would use them? Are they gonna be better than an Apple TV box? We have six ATVs and we only had to pay the initial cost. How could ATT's new service compete with that? Could they be that dumb? Yup, I think they could be that dumb. Look what they've done since they acquired D*. Arrogance and stupidity, the perfect storm...

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    How will these new streamers compare to an Apple TV? I can't imagine ATT coming out with something better. Matter of fact, I can't see ATT making a box that works as well as a Fire TV device. Are the ATT boxes gonna be a cable replacement service or are they gonna be a video streaming service?

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    They are still watching mindless drivel, it is just a different type of mindless drivel than we grew up watching.
     
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    Yep, my kids don't watch much TV on their TV's. My daughter prefers to watch Netflix on her Macbook and the only reason my son wants a bigger TV is for his XBox games. He'd rather watch YouTube videos on his phone all day instead of watching a TV show in DirecTV.
     

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