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Dish OTA EPG issues Discussion

Discussion in 'DISH™ OTA Support and Discussion Forum' started by Stewart Vernon, Sep 23, 2011.

  1. crodrules

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    Similarly, Dish puts the satellite-delivered feeds (SD and HD) of WMFD on channel 12, to match their broadcast frequency, but WMFD's virtual channel number is still 068-01. This is probably partly what broke the OTA guide mapping for WMFD. (I know James pointed out the problem with the TSID that WMFD is actually broadcasting, but I have no idea when that changed, and the guide data has been broken pretty much this entire decade so far.) So, either Dish needs to move WMFD to channel 68 (which is where Directv puts it) or WMFD should change its virtual mapping to 012-01. WMFD no longer brands itself by channel number, and hasn't done so in a long time, so that should not be a problem in this case.
     
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  2. James Long

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    Has WMFD ever been right for the OTA mapping? I do not see where DISH changed their data but I did find a capture where WMFD was sending the wrong TSID in 2013. Get the station to send the right TSID and the EPG should appear.

    It is interesting that DISH is using channel 12 instead of 68. They did that in my market for a .2 subchannel that was carried (the .1 was on the correct channel).
     
  3. Jim5506

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    Not only that but channels on the same TSID can have totally different channel numbers like RF channel having 5.1 and 7.1 both on their carrier, also with multiple channels broadcast over one RF channel it would be insanity to try to unscramble which channel was which without virtual channels.
     
  4. crodrules

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    The guide data was mapped correctly when Dish first started carrying WMFD (SD-only at that time) at the beginning of 2009. I wasn't paying attention exactly when, but sometime later that year or in 2010 (maybe 2011 at the latest, but I am pretty sure it was before then) the OTA guide data mapping stopped working, so that must be when WMFD changed the TSID they were broadcasting, unless Dish changed something on their end that broke it first.
     
  5. James Long

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    My oldest capture is from May 2010. The settings for WMFD are the same TSID DISH is looking for today.
     
  6. crodrules

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    Which means the OTA guide was still working at that point, and the change must have happened after that. Thanks for helping narrow it down.
     
  7. James Long

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    It means DISH has not changed the mapping since (at least) May 2010. When it stopped working was when the station started sending the invalid TSID ("1").
     
  8. crodrules

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    Right. That was the part I was trying to narrow down. So, sometime after May 2010, but before 2013. My own memory of when I noticed that the guide data was no longer working would put the change sometime in late 2010 or in 2011.
     
  9. Michael P

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    GRIT is carried locally IIRC on WEWS 5.2. For a short time it was carried on both 43.3 and 5.2 at the same time. Can you imagine if WOIO still had GRIT to carry along with Bounce and WUAB?

    Rescanning on a built-in tuner gets 19 & 43 correct (including guide data from the PSIP data). It's only Dish that's getting it wrong.
     
  10. crodrules

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    Right, but as I said, rescanning would not do any good for me, since I have never been able to receive WOIO's digital signal on RF10. The irony is that I still have correct OTA guide data on my Dish receiver, for stations that I can no longer receive. (WUAB and its subchannel)
     
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    Michael P

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    I bet you are in Lake County. On another forum (AVS Forums) there is a poster in the same situation as you. I never understood how WOIO could be on RF 10 with CFPL right across the lake. I used to watch CFPL like a local station every summer as a kid growing up in Euclid.

    So the guide data for WUAB remains correct for you because your DVR is searching for RF 28.
     
  12. Feb 3, 2018 #112 of 115
    crodrules

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    Wrong on the first count (Richland County) but correct on the last part. I think my issue with WOIO is simply my distance from the station. I looked up WOIO's coverage map on the FCC website once, and their contour doesn't even touch Richland County. In fact, I seem to remember the Wikipedia page for Richland County listing WBNS as the de-facto CBS affiliate for us, even though it is out-of-market. Unfortunately, I have not been able to pick up that station OTA either. My nearby local station, WMFD, is on RF12, but I hope it wouldn't be causing interference two channels away from RF10. Then again, before the digital transition was complete, I used to be able to occasionally pick up the digital OTA signals from both WTOL and WTVG from Toledo. After the digital transition, when they moved their digital signals to their old analog frequencies (RF11 and RF13) I have not been able to receive either of those stations since then.
     
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    Michael P

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    Believe it or not, WOIO in it's "Action News" days used to give the temperature for Cardington Ohio in their weather forecasts. I had to look Cardington up on a map. They are so close to Columbus and so not anywhere near any Cleveland station, let alone the weakest signal in the market. They can't even serve your area which is inside the DMA, yet they want eyeballs in a more distant town. I bet they got a signal report one time during strong tropo that led them to believe their signal made it that far southwest.
     
  14. Apr 4, 2018 #114 of 115
    roodof

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    excuse me for butting in here but i'm looking for current active thread on dish ota,with most recent responses so here goes,Any chance thru a software update to the hopper 3 or issuing a quad ota module so one could record 3 or 4 separate ota signals simultaneously? their $12 monthly fee for locals is nuts,i have their dual ota now but run into conflicts when wanting to record a third ota at the same time(prime time doesn't work cause I have dropped locals.It seems to me they could even do a software upgrade to get a hopper 3 capable of quad ota recording,any insight would be appreciated
     
  15. Sep 6, 2018 #115 of 115
    Michael P

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    I can't answer that question because very few can actually get WMFD OTA. They are in the Cleveland DMA, but just barely. Mansfield is nearly half-way to Columbus. It's a rural area and their Ch 12 signal does not reach the more populated areas of the DMA. In fact if you can receive WMFD OTA chances are you can't get all the Cleveland station's signals. Getting carriage on E* & D* to the entire DMA really helps their reach, however there is little interest in the programming. I tune in from time to timeout of curiosity. The local newscasts location clips have out-of-sync audio, but the live anchor is in-sync.
     

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