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Dish picks up the ball that DirectTV dropped! Dish on Windows Media Center announced

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by rickyisbell, Jan 16, 2009.

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  1. jacmyoung

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    To do what? To downrezz and/or cut bitrate? If so the HR2Xs can certainly do that, because the HD shows can be watched using the standard A/V output in 480i.

    Please define "re-encoded". Once a 1080i stream is down to 480i, what is then needed to be streamed out on the Internet?

    Couldn't or just E* does not plan to do it?
     
  2. Jeremy W

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    You've used up all of my good will in this thread, I'm not going to bother answering these ignorant questions.
     
  3. GrumpyBear

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    You do understand that the TV2 out is a coax connection that runs to another TV and uses a TV's Coax connector, so no reciever is needed?
    It allows the TV to watch a 2nd tuner, so each TV can be watching different shows, or it can even watch a recorded show off of the DVR, and uses a sperate remote. You understand that output and processing is controlled by these things called processors and chips? So as Jeremy Said, Dish uses a chip/Decoder, and Direct doesn't have the chip at all.

    Now before you ask, why SD only...
    Until just recently there was no decoder chip that would allow HD output over coax. Only SD output, and SD output is 480i.
    Your Standard A/V output will not allow you to watch a seperate tuner on a HR2x. Please Read what others post, it will make it easier for you to understand.
     
  4. jacmyoung

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    I don't know maybe you have run out of logic or simply do not know the answers?
     
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    You do not even understand the issue I was discussing with him.

    It is obvious that the 622s can downconvert 1080i to 480i, so can the HR2xs, because that is how we can watch HD using A/V and S-video ports in SD.

    The question is then can such 480i stream be sent out through the ethernet port in stead of the A/V or S-video port and why? At that point he refused to answer the question, arguing that he had lost his "good will", my guess is he simply has no answer.
     
  6. GrumpyBear

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    No I was following the Thread, and so was Jeremy. THERE is no DOWNCONVERTING, its a seperate chip(in this case decoder) that sends out the 480i out through TV2. Once again, the HR2x has no chip, so it can't do it. The chip can only send out the signal that the spec will allow, hence the 480i
    Jeremy was doing a very good job of answering, you were doing a very good job of changing the requirements in your questions, and not understanding. YOU need to understand the process, of how things work. You need to get a better idea, or stick to your original questions, as you clearly don't understand little differences, like having to Download VOD before you can watch it vs Streaming that happens instantly.
     
  7. jacmyoung

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    First tell me can the HR2X downconvert HD to 480i in itself?

    Then tell me that does it take for the HR2X to make that 480i to be displayed on TV?

    When a 1080i broadcast stream is received by the HR2x, it can be processed then sent out in its native form, either to be displayed on TV (after re-encoding), stored on the hard drive, or streamed to a PC, so far so good?

    The same stream can also be down-converted by the HR2x to any one of the 480i, 480p, 720p formats. Once such down-conversion is done, say down to 480i, it can certainly be encoded and sent out for display on an SDTV in 480i, using the SD A/V output or the S-video output.

    My question is, once the down-conversion is done from 1080i to 480i, and before it is re-encoded, can it be sent out through the Ethernet and let the PC then re-encode it for display? If not, then what is the hardware part that is missing to accomplish such task?
     
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    Why would a HR2x have to downconvert? The HR2x Processer talks to the chipset that sends out the signal over the Various outputs. Its the specification of a output that controls the format that goes out, over the various connections.
    Now if your using a connection that is superior to 480 style connections like Component, or HDMI, and you are watching HD instead of SD, then you have to change your tv type inside of the HR2x, so it knows how to handle the outgoing signal, so it is displayed in 480 if thats what you want on your HDTV.
    Granted the easist way would be to use a RF cable, or Composit output, and connect that to your TV, for 480i.
     
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    Tsk, tsk, tsk. There is no Down-converting, taking place. RF Cable, Composit output, is controled by the processor talking to the chipset that controls the various outputs.
    You need to understand the process.

    Think of it this way. In the good ol days of modems, a 56kbaud modem speaking to a 9600baud modem slowed itself down. The 56k modem didn't reprocess, everything into 9600baud, it sends out the best it can. So your HR2x processor works the same way. It sends out the best possible resolution to various outputs, no down-converting, just the best that output can handle.
     
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    What you are saying is a 1080i stream will magically turn into a 480i stream at the S-video output?

    To say that an HD receiver cannot down-covert, or up-convert any incoming stream format to any one of the other formats of choice is just beyond me.
     
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    Whats magic about it? Its called standards, and most standards are controlled by RFC's. If S-Video only supports X, how in the world can it get Z out? Since there is a Standard for S-Video output, the chipset that controls the outputs speaks to the processor, so they know the best signal to send out.
    You have any older tv's,that have only S-Video or Composit connectors?
    Try connecting a HDMI cable to one of those connectors. Guess what it wont fit.

    Now hookup several TV's at the sametime to your HR2x. One on each connection type, HDMI, Component, S-Video, Composit(use older TV's for the S-Video and Composit) without doing anything at all, every tv will get the best possible signal over the output, because at both ends they are processing the standard for that output.
     
  12. Doug Brott

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    Well .. Sorry folks, but it looks like we've gone way too far off topic for this thread to continue.
     
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