Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Channels Off 10-1-2010)

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  1. Oct 19, 2010 #1 of 398
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    On October 1st, 2010, the carriage contract that permitted DISH to carry Fox stations FX, National Geographic, 12 regional FoxSports channels and 7 other FoxSports feeds expired.

    On DISH Network channel 136 FX has been replaced by HDNet and channel 186 National Geographic has been replaced by Discovery's HD Theater. Both channels are normally available only in the HD Platinum package (currently $10 for 17 HD channels). The feeds are being downconverted from HD for presentation on channels 136 and 186 for SD customers. HD customers also receive the HD feeds. Customers who lost a FoxSports channel can now receive every other available RSN on DISH and other sports channels on channels 9660-9682. Blackout rules apply.

    DISH has set up a website to explain their side of the issue:
    Fox has set up a website to explain their side of the issue:

    Fox also owns Fox and MyTV stations in several markets. The contract allowing DISH to carry these channels (and others that Fox negotiates on behalf of) is expiring and unless renewed these channels will go dark on November 1st.

    This thread exists to discuss the dispute between DISH and Fox ... it is not a free for all for discussing all topics marginally related to DISH vs Fox. In order to make this thread more valuable for people seeking information on the dispute please keep your comments on the matter focused on the issue of DISH vs Fox. Thanks.
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    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
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    Lakers_Fan_24 Cool Member

    Oct 3, 2010
    Noticed Dish has put up Center Ice and NBA league for sale on it's website. Is this any indication or do they want to take our money and laugh all the way to the bank?

    I'm dying for the NBA package but I can't bring myself to buy it until after the 1st. If Dish dumps Fox local, goodbye Dish. I'll buy my NBA package elsewhere.
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    hiero4life Cool Member

    Apr 10, 2008
    Not every customer is affected with the dispute, I'm in the LA area but I don't get the RSNs ( I have Absolute) so it doesn't matter to me. If I was a local NHL/NBA fan I would have left before the season and before I made my first payment towards CI. So E* advertising the passes means nothing.
  5. Oct 19, 2010 #5 of 398

    grog Godfather

    Jul 2, 2007
    In many cases the local RSN's are not an issue for many subscribers but the actual FOX local stations may be especially if OTA is not possible and the locals get pulled at the 1st of the month.

    The good news is only FOX owned stations can be pulled and not all FOX stations are owned by FOX. :)

    Today this article from NewsOK was posted.
    Bottom line is to check the local FOX ownership in your area. You might not be effected if the FOX stations are pulled.
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    jaymz Cool Member

    Dec 1, 2009
    As someone who doesn't want to read a zillion+ pages of replies on this topic, can anyone summarize the latest news on this issue? Does anyone know where things (negotiations) stand? Isn't there some Congressional committee that can put pressure on these two children to get this settled? What about the FCC? Inquiring minds want to know.


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    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    May 17, 2010
    Win, lose or draw when this dispute ends and the music stops playing the only one's left without a chair will be the subs.
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    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    #6, Staus Quo......... Unchanged. I'm not sure Dish and Fox are even talking about Nov1. Dish may be waiting to see what happens in NY.
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    Hoosier205 Active Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    Fox deserves to get paid. Dish Network deserves a fair rate. Both sides failed to come to an agreement before the deadline.
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    fredp Legend

    Jun 2, 2007
    This time around.... When contracts come up for renewal with the various media companies that o/o Fox stations, for sure they will see their rates requested jump and the cycle will continue. :nono2:
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    chum76 Mentor

    Jun 4, 2010
    On our local FOX network they had a small segment and their argument is in order to compete with ESPN and offer more sports they need more money. I think FOX has the right to compete and they deserve the price increase which would be way below ESPN's current price.
  12. Oct 19, 2010 #12 of 398

    scooper Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    Kansas City KS
    The summary -
    Fox wants X amount per sub plus moving some cable channels down a tier or 2. Dish has said no. Fox also wants more for their FSN regional sports (if not asked them to be put in "Dish's lowest tier" - that ain't happening (moving the Sports nets to AT120).

    Negotiations sound like they are at a standstill for now.

    No Congressional committee nor the FCC can force an agreement.
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    dakeeney Legend

    Aug 29, 2004
    I see no light at the end of the tunnel. Look for O&O to be pulled by Fox on 11/1. Our local Fox is not O&O by Fox so I'm not sweating it.
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    gjh3260 Legend

    Mar 19, 2006
    my local Fox is O & O so fortunately I can receive it via OTA with no problem...for those subs that can't I would expect a lot of people leaving DISH if this dispute with the RSN's isnt settled by then especially with NFL football and potential World Series games on FOX
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    Gloria_Chavez Godfather

    Aug 11, 2008
    And I see a lot of people leaving Dish if it acquiesces to Fox today, Univision tomorrow (if Fox Broadcast channel merits 1 dollar a month, UVN, whose demos are arguably more attractive than Fox's, deserves more than that), and has to increase its monthly rates by 6%, against a backdrop of 0.5% inflation.
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    Geronimo Native American Potentate DBSTalk Gold Club

    Mar 23, 2002
    Congress is in recess so there is no hope of any action on that front by 11/01.

    In my case Fox owns both the local Fox station and the MyNetwork station so i may lose both come 11/01. FWIW I can watch MyNetwork programming on WWOR (as a superstation) and I have OTA but i expect some major disruption of timers.
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    Hoosier205 Active Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    Let's hope they find better uses for their time following the election as well.
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    Greg Bimson

    Greg Bimson Hall Of Fame

    May 5, 2003
    Since deregulation in the mid-1980's, there have been a few recessions. Those recessions didn't stop rates from rising. Therefore, I submit that that the entertainment value of pay-television is not tied to any inflationary concern. About 85 percent of the public have pay-television; it is their entertainment. So until those customers vote with their wallets and leave pay-television in droves, the model will not change.
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    Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    Nothing has happened. Stay tuned.
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    EW800 AllStar

    Oct 1, 2010
    I have to laugh at some of the lengths some of the Dish CSR's are going to in order to get subscribers to remain with them. I called a while ago to cancel (I switched to DirecTV) and the CSR went into a long explanation how she personally knows (ya right...) that the two sides were in the conference room together very last last night and back at it again early this morning. She said she can "feel it in the air" that an agreement is getting close. She almost made it sound like she could see the negotiating room from where she was at!! :D I doubt the two sides are actually meeting, and if they were/are, I am certain that it is not in the same area as the phone bank of CSR's! :D
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