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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Channels Off 10-1-2010)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by James Long, Oct 19, 2010.

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  1. kariato

    kariato AllStar

    Dec 16, 2002
    Given the cablevision war in New York and the possibility of a similar situation with Dish soon, Fox has problems, given that this season broadcast ratings are horrible. See
    http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/10/27/fox-now-17-behind-last-years-adults-18-49-ratings/69859 which shows that FOX has lost a significant number of viewers this year to poor programming choices. They want more money whiles loosing ground to CBS makes no sense.
  2. Jason Whiddon

    Jason Whiddon Hall Of Fame

    Aug 17, 2006
    I've looked hard into all the streaming platforms, and it's just not where it needs to be for someone like me, who records over 30 hours a week. I've decided to keep my two HR's on MRV, drop the tivo, and just beef up and enjoy my directv service. I'll check back with hulu and the likes in a couple of years. Now that I own and iPad, I'm eagerly awaiting nomad.

    Hopefully directv can continue to avoid excessive channel disputes.
  3. Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    +! Quit and pay 50% on all providers, down the road! Go on!
  4. chum76

    chum76 Mentor

    Jun 4, 2010

    Yeah but the WSJ is doing very well while other newspapers are sinking. If FOX wants more money to give us better programming then so be it. I for one would like to see more sports/programming on their channel. :)
  5. phrelin

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    Fox has made some bad choices this year. Ironically, Disney has taken some heavy losses in theme parks located in places like China. Both want to squeeze more money out of Dish customers to make up for their lost income by increasing rates in the middle of The Great Recession, ironically both claiming to be American family supportive.

    But, and this is a big issue with me, they don't want to be identified as the source of the increase or allow you to choose to drop the channel because of the increase. Instead they want us to blame Dish when the price goes up.

    If, instead of tiers, we had to choose between the News Corp (Fox) package, the Disney/ABC package, the NBCU/Comcast package, and the CBS/Viacom package (see this post for details), along with all the others like Time Warner, Discovery, etc., then we would have competition creating price levels.

    Instead we have to rely on Dish Network to try to keep the cost down.
  6. HobbyTalk

    HobbyTalk Hall Of Fame

    Jul 14, 2007
    Incorrect. Fox could have allowed Dish to continue to rebroadcast those channels under the expired contract and once a new agreement is reached they could have collected back fees if owed.
  7. Greg Bimson

    Greg Bimson Hall Of Fame

    May 5, 2003
    Incorrect. If Fox "allowed Dish to continue to rebroadcast under the expired contract", that would mean the expired contract would have been extended. No extension, no contract, no carry.

    Case in point:

    Dish Network carried four HD channels from Disney for 25 months. They weren't under contract. Disney has not been paid.

    No contract, no carry.
  8. Michael P

    Michael P Hall Of Fame

    Oct 27, 2004
    All the news is with Cablevision. What about E*? Is there any news yet? Tonight is the first time this dispute is going to hurt me. The first game of the NBA season for the Cavs. I can see the listing blacked out in the NBALP free preview. My only hope is to see the end of the game up in the 9600's should it run past the allotted time (NBALP blocks out more time than the originating RSN). I did see a Celtics post game listed in the clear at 9:30 so that is where I plan to be watching.
  9. MysteryMan

    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    May 17, 2010
    There's good news and bad news. The bad news is there isn't any good news!
  10. CoolGui

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    Feb 8, 2006
    I'm going to miss my first regular season rockets game tonight. I hate to reward DirecTV for this argument between fox and dish, but honestly I just want to watch the games. :(

    By the way, I'm pretty sure I'm out of my commitment with Dish, but I don't have any evidence. Do you any of you know how I can find out when I signed up last? I upgraded to a 722 shortly after they came out, I think that was when they renewed my commitment.
  11. hoophead

    hoophead Godfather

    Feb 10, 2008
    Chat with/call them.
  12. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
  13. sherriebythesea

    sherriebythesea Cool Member

    Oct 18, 2010
    When are Fox advertisers going to start adding up all the lost viewers and start demanding to pay LESS for their ads on Fox ?
  14. meStevo

    meStevo AllStar

    Jul 23, 2007
    Hard to say, and we'll never know, so hard to say it's even relevant. Dish is just a percentage and likely nowhere near a majority of potential eyeballs in any given market for these stations. As the link above stated, Fox had a very good year last year, with the Yankees in the world series and whatnot, pinning ratings dips on disputes is just a sexy headline more than anything at the moment.
  15. phrelin

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    During the past two years some "regular advertising" placement pricing has been tied, at least partially, to what is known as the Nielsen C+3 ratings having to do with eyes on commercials within 3 days of the day the show and ads run.

    The ad pricing for the NFL playoffs and the Superbowl and for the MLB playoffs and world series, however, is sold without regard to who's watching. Regarding MLB Fox might feel the pain next year with paranoid advertisers, but not this year.

    My guess is they would see a significant drop in ad revenue for "American Idol" if the broadcast channel in places like NYC and Philadelphia were still off of Cablevision plus off of Dish. But that would be short term and only problematic in the short term.

    The reality is that Cablevision and Dish will have lost customers in droves by the end of the January-May season. That will not be short term and Rupert Murdoch knows it.

    It appears that late last year Time Warner blinked agreeing to what I feel are unconscionable fee demands but no real information was available. Fox is simply leveraging that with Cablevision and Dish who may very well blink. Fox will then leverage those results with other cable companies and DirecTV and U-Verse and Fios. Within 5 years everyone will be paying those high prices.

    NBC, CBS, and ABC will not find the concept of higher fees interesting at all. And the viewers will think a $10-15 a month increase in all tiers on all systems an outstanding result. Or more likely, the viewers will have no idea how that happened.

    For the media companies, that will set the "per view" value of streaming which will then determine the licensing costs incurred by Netflix, Google TV, etc. which will determine future pricing to their customers.

    And it's all Dish's fault for not capitulating immediately, if not sooner. I wouldn't be missing "Sons of Anarchy" and "Terriers" which, since I'll be dead in a few years, is far more important than standing with Dish on behalf of my grandchildren.
  16. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Over time the rate carriers charge customers will go up. It has to to cover normal rate increases (the 23c this year, 24c next year kind of increase) plus the always increasing cost of paying people to keep everything running.

    Whatever is overpaid to Fox will just have to come off of something else. Perhaps less new HD channels (until the SD contract expires and the programmer says no SD without HD). Perhaps less development of receivers. The bean counters at each carrier will have to figure out the cost/benefit of each decision.

    An interesting "bucket list" ...
  17. SayWhat?

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009
    Well like I said (but it was moved), I watch Dish, but I don't watch Fox, so any ad dollars paid to Fox are lost on me.

    I'm not sure I'll watch FX or NetGeo if and when they return to Dish, so those ad dollars may be lost on me in perpetuity.

    Nice goin' Murdoch!
  18. jerry downing

    jerry downing Godfather

    Mar 7, 2004
    They'll make up for it by putting in even more commercials.
  19. Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    I don't watch FX, GSM. In fact I'm boycotting FOX!
  20. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    Not even watching your local Giants in the WS?
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