Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

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  1. Sep 9, 2010 #1 of 2032

    RasputinAXP Kwisatz Haderach of Cordcuttery

    Jan 23, 2008
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    la24philly Hall Of Fame

    Mar 8, 2010
    i think dish network should do us all a favor and just file for chapter 11. they are in my opnion the worst tv provider ever. [Redacted]
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    lparsons21 Hall Of Fame

    Mar 4, 2006
    Herrin, IL
    Since you don't have them, why do you care if they are bad/good/indifferent?
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    habsfan66 AllStar

    Mar 25, 2010
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    SDWC AllStar

    Dec 14, 2005
    Highly unlikely IMO this will happen. The phones will be ringing off the hook if even one minute of an NFL game on a Sunday is not carried by E* due to renewal disagreements.

    If it were not this time of year I could see it lingering for awhile but with season premieres and NFL I expect this to be resolved.
  6. Sep 9, 2010 #6 of 2032

    epokopac Godfather

    Aug 8, 2007
    I agree, SDWC. E* would be commiting suicide by losing FOX. If that "does" happen, E* "WILL" be filing for Chapter 11 due to the enormous loss of subscribers.
  7. Sep 9, 2010 #7 of 2032

    tsmacro Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2005
    We have until Oct 1st before anything happens? Shoot until then it's still all posturing and negotiating, it's not a dispute until channels are actually pulled and money stops being paid.
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    lparsons21 Hall Of Fame

    Mar 4, 2006
    Herrin, IL
    Yep, that is all it is. But it does seem that the posturing is starting earlier and getting dirtier more quickly than in the past.
  9. Sep 9, 2010 #9 of 2032

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    I expect the cost of my Top 200 package to rise at least 10% a year for the next decade as the media conglomerates exert their power - which means I expect it to double while the inflation rate hovers around 1%-2% a year.

    I'm pretty sure most here understand the nature of the negotiations that are going on. It had already become pretty clear to me that we would soon see one of the broadcast networks tied into cable channel negotiations and it doesn't surprise me that it is Rupert Murdoch's operation.

    Here's a list published by the research firm SNL Kagan showing what a typical cable carrier paid for channels in 2009:


    How much of an increase do you want to pay News Corp? Taking only the News Corp channels in the first two columns and including a low number for the Fox Broadcast Network channel in your area not owned by News Corp, here's examples of possible increases you might be asked to pay by News Corp, the company that talks many in the nation into believing government regulation is bad:


    Assuming Dish passes through an increase, what seems fair to you? My guess is that Murdoch will ask for $2.59 plus whatever he wants for network affiliate channels Fox owns. Charlie will offer something like 3% which would be $0.16 and everything will depend on who blinks enough.

    If you think what Dish does isn't important, the stakes are simply that Charlie will hold out if he thinks it is too much. Whatever he finally agrees to will become the starting point in the future for any other cable or satellite provider. It will also become the starting point for future negotiations with the NBCU-Comcast group, Showtime/MTV group, Disney/ABC group, etc.

    It will be interesting to see if Charlie can handle the threats many of his customers will make like some of you here. If he can't, you should expect your TV costs to double while your income stagnates.

    And don't start chatting about breaking up the packages into a la carte. Murdoch knows that won't work for him and it's what he thinks that counts, thinking that does not include the best interest of 100,000,000 American households.

    This situation makes me angry as it was predictable. I think regulations create the monopolies (particularly at the broadcast network level) for the owner of Fox News which he successfully lobbies to keep in place, along with the other media conglomerates. But the rates he can extort won't be regulated - they are left to the "marketplace" as his shills would proudly proclaim.:mad:
  10. Sep 9, 2010 #10 of 2032
    Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    Agree! They'll settle this quickly. Too much riding on it.
  11. Sep 9, 2010 #11 of 2032
    Greg Bimson

    Greg Bimson Hall Of Fame

    May 5, 2003
    I could chart it over the course of a decade, but isn't that pretty much how it has gone so far? Even with some type of variance, the package pricing has gone up 5 to 10 percent yearly, no?
    I could swear Dish Network had a dispute with Viacom when Viacom had CBS under it's belt, and all Viacom programming was pulled. So this certainly isn't a first.
    I'm not trying to be condescending, but I would think that DirecTV has carriage contracts, no? Why is Charlie "the most important man in the world", when everyone has contracts coming up for renewal? Is it because we on these forums hear about these programming disputes over and over again, but mainly from the Dish Network camp? After all, there has never been a proven argument one way or another that "what Charlie does" actually helps, except for when he caught the green (as in new) negotiating team of Lifetime flat-footed and Lifetime signed off on a deal that hurt them.

    It's a bunch of sabre-rattling.

    And before I forget, Fox doesn't own every "Fox Regional Sports Net". They own quite a few of them, but not all of them, and their reach is not national, in the sense that I believe they are missing RSN's in 3 of the five largest markets.
  12. Sep 9, 2010 #12 of 2032
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    I expect that FOX will settle and there won't be an outage. If there is one I expect it will be short.

    As for the predictions of the death of DISH should the channels be dropped? Yeah, we've heard that before. The death of DISH is often held up as "certain" if they do not do something someone wants. And yet DISH survives.

    If DISH ever gets to the point where the carriage of one channel or group of channels is life or death for the company the provider could demand anything they want. $100 per month per subscriber for the FOX signals pay it or go out of business!

    Exaggerated hyperbole is possible on both sides of the argument ... and those who fall for the "you're going to lose your channels" web threats to get all hot and bothered don't help the situation. Somewhere in the middle is a point where FOX and DISH will end up. A little more than $0.00 per month per subscriber and a lot less than $100 per month per subscriber. Let those who are doing the deals do the deals.
  13. Sep 9, 2010 #13 of 2032

    Jhon69 Hall Of Fame

    Mar 27, 2006
    Central San...

    Maybe that's what happened to my package.Had to call in to get off of the .01 cent Cinemax deal,went ahead and cancelled all my other Premium Movie services,HBO,Showtime,Starz.Got rid of the SuperStations,told the CSR wanted AT250 only.
    Now at the bottom of my AT250 it says"No sports" online so I don't have FSW,CSW and Prime.The CSR even quoted me a cheaper price for AT250 than I was paying before.Which to me is no big deal I don't care for sports anyways.Heck they can take all the sports out of my package and give me the cheaper price,I'll be happy.:)
  14. Sep 9, 2010 #14 of 2032

    Jhon69 Hall Of Fame

    Mar 27, 2006
    Central San...

    Correction: just checked my AT250,it's still $64.99.
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    biz AllStar

    Jul 30, 2004
    This is why I retain my outdoor HD antenna. With HD Absolute, I don't get FX, or FSN anyhow.

    Agree, in football season, and baseball Fox = ticked off subscribers!
  16. Sep 9, 2010 #16 of 2032

    Willh Legend

    Jan 1, 2009
    well i click the link in the opening post of this thread, the Fox 4 link (the local fox station here in the DFW area, which is my TV Market, living in Campbell, just Northeast of Dallas) sent me to an error message

    here's what the error message says:
    so there could be two things,
    a.) the page is not yet fully created as we are entering the second weekend of this month, and the contract ends at 11:59:59 PM on September 30th (not sure which time zone it would be ending at), so it would be a little early for a dispute headup page to be posted, those usally come out the week of the pending contract expiration.


    b.)they signed a new deal in advance to prevent to pulling of channels or made a deal to keep the channels on while they work on a deal to keep them on long term for years to come.

    let's hope the dispute doesn't result in more channels lost on Dish, Dish made the mouse mad and the Dolan's hate Dish with a passion. we lost a few HD feed of Disney owned networks this year as well as MSG's Fuse. and not to mention, despite the dispute over The Weather Channel, we were lucky that Dish and NBC-Universal were on good terms right now, but it won't be if the comcast take over is approved by the Department of Justice and the SEC (not the NCAA conference one but the stocks one).
  17. Sep 10, 2010 #17 of 2032

    projectorguru Godfather

    Mar 5, 2007
    i'm still upset about the disney channels, if they aren't on soon, time to move on, loosing fox would be the nail in the coffin
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    TulsaOK New Member

    Feb 23, 2004
    I wonder if, and that's a big if, Dish drops Fox affiliates will the EPG have data for those of us who receive it OTA?
  19. Sep 10, 2010 #19 of 2032
    Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    Thankfully I don't watch FOX that much.
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    wolfjc Legend

    Oct 4, 2006
    With all the noise about the fight with Dish and FOX.
    What do you folks think will happen to CI if the FOX sports channels go away?
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