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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

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  1. demsd

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    Get a better OTA antenna. The cost of an antenna beats having to pay for channels you would get for free otherwise.
     
  2. AMike

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    Center Ice customers on D* and other providers are being impacted by this dispute between E* and Fox. The local team in my market, Atlanta Thrashers, did not televise 3 of their games last week on the local RSN. The first game was available on CI, but the other 2 were not. The team has posted this on their website:

    To use an old phrase, D* and other video provider Center Ice customers have a dog in this hunt now. I personally think this blackout situation should be resolved between D* and Fox since it should have no bearing on D* customers. And if the tables were turned, the same should apply.
     
  3. demsd

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    Right. Wait until Nov. 1.
     
  4. runner861

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    In principle, I agree with you. In reality, it will never happen. Separate negotiation cannot be forced. Each party during negotiations is aware of the "separate" negotiations, and the negotiations will be de facto bundled, even if separate agreements are reached.

    The only way to force truly separate negotiations is to go to "must carry," no compensation to the station, or have the money the satellite/cable company must pay be determined by a formula or by a government body, not through negotiations.
     
  5. James Long

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    Most TV shows last more than a month. One would have to subscribe for several months to catch an entire season. Hopefully there are more shows to watch over the several months to balance it all out.

    The issue of live sports programming will keep linear channels alive. Some people will watch their sports on a replay or DVRd but there are few legal streaming or download sources for such programming. It is also far more efficient to use broadcasting to deliver live programming simultaneously to millions of viewers than individual data streams.

    Sports programming being one of the keys, those who offer it (such as Fox) have content that is generally "irreplaceable" via legal digital delivery.
     
  6. Gloria_Chavez

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    Stewart, I have one question for you and others who insist that we're not going a-la-carte. How do you see the PayTV industry evolving?

    Over the last 12 months, the Median CPI is running at 0.5%. Harley Davidson just froze wages for the next 7 years. In real terms, they will decline.

    Against this backdrop, I don't believe that PayTV providers will be able to increase the annual fees by 6% or so, as many have done over the last decade. If Fox gets what it wants from Cablevision, I can guarantee you that Univision will ask for 1 dollar a subcriber when that contract comes up, insisting that it is more valuable that the Fox Nework. And within one year, it may indeed be drawing more 18-34s than Fox.

    That's why I see a-la-carte gaining traction.

    Or perhaps deflation, in the form of enough subscribers migrating to the likes of Sezmi that the Cablevisions will be able to impose a decrease in the monthly fees to cable channels like ESPN.
     
  7. demsd

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    It might not have been greed on the part of the network at the time, but surely was on the part of Time Warner. I would have to argue that dollar signs is why subscribers pay their carrier for the same local networks that you say were free on cable.
     
  8. Hoosier205

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    Yes, this is very unfortunate. The problem is that we are dealing with Charlie here and regardless of how much time he is given to work out a solution, a dispute most often seems to be the outcome. Just wait until one or the other files suit...Charlie will be ecstatic. I think he is hoping for a staring role in a Law & Order spin-off one day. Yes, Fox pulled the plug but both parties failed to settle the issue. Fox deserves to get paid and Charlie deserves a fair rate.
     
  9. HobbyTalk

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    Eventually you won't need a TV to watch programming. It will be beamed into your brain waves so you will just remember that you watched it. :)
     
  10. demsd

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    PBS receives 40-50% of its operating revenue from Federal and State sources [i.e. our taxes]. Its not free to watch PBS either.
     
  11. demsd

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    Not according to the free-market mongers. ;)
     
  12. John W

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    As long as you accept The Mark.
     
  13. James Long

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    Loud people on the internet (sometimes including me) may want a la carte but as long as those who own the content don't want to sell their channels a la carte there is nothing that can be done - other than refuse to carry their channels at all.

    Fox wants as many paying subscribers (not necessary viewers, just payers) as possible. They get a large subscriber count by making all or nothing demands from their carriers. Deliver the channel to most (if not all) customers or you don't get to deliver them to any customer.

    Getting Fox (and other cablecasters/broadcasters) to give up that mindset is the key. I wouldn't hold my breath.

    THEY DON'T CARE how many people are unemployed or underemployed or hurting. The only people Fox cares about are (1) management and (2) shareholders. Their job is to make money ... not make it easier for their viewers. And as long as their viewers who may not be able to afford travel or tickets to a game or need a distraction are still willing to pay for content they are happy. Overjoyed. Thrilled.

    With a la carte they would only be paid for customers THEY convinced to subscribe. Under the current package system they get paid for people who never watch. It would be rather stupid and contrary to their goal of making money to allow their channels to be sold a la carte.

    Which is why it is a non-starter.
     
  14. demsd

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    Aahhh... the distant network battle of '06.

    I have to wonder why they just didn't re-draw the lines.
     
  15. TulsaOK

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    Actually, November 2nd is a more important date.
     
  16. demsd

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    Or, the carriers [e.g. Cablevision and DISH] could give an incentive to their subs, such as an OTA antenna to get their locals for free if they stay put. Its better than a big carrier fee increase.
     
  17. sorentodd45

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    MilFan, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Doesn't the Nov. 1st deadline thing only apply to FOX owned and operated stations?

    FOX-47 WMSN is owned and operated by Sinclair Broadcast Group.

    If I'm wrong and 11-1-10 applies to all FOX affiliates nationwide, then I humbly apologize.

    EDIT: list of FOX O&O's:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Television_Stations_Group
     
  18. demsd

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    What about emergency broadcasts? Wasn't that part of the hoopala during the analog to HD switch? Or, was the low cost and/or free conversion boxes for another reason?
     
  19. James Long

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    11-1-10 only applies to Fox O&Os ... but some sports season starts at the end of the month and he'll be missing real games on FS Wisconsin (not pre-season games that don't count).
     
  20. demsd

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    Out of curiosity, what antenna are you using?
     
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