Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

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  1. Greg Bimson

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    Because the article is pretty much an invalid, incorrect opinion based upon one fact. And that is only reading the first page of the article.
     
  2. RAD

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    Dripping...
    I thought it also included some former Fox O&O's that the current owners have asked News Corp to handle the negotations for?
     
  3. demsd

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    In the US, greed and capitalism are not much different.
     
  4. scooper

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    Correct. There is some of them going to be affected by 11-1-2010 as well.
     
  5. demsd

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    Texas A & M does the opposite.

    http://www.latimes.com/sns-ap-fbc-dish-am-discount,0,5453352.story
     
  6. demsd

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    I tend to agree with that. As the saying goes, 'you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.' I have to wonder what would have happened with FOX if they tried this in an A La Carte world. As it stands now, the carrier decides if they want to pay the carrier fee hike. In an A La Carte world, the sub would. Furthermore, the rate hike would effect all FOX subs at once, not just those with a certain carrier. There would be none of the scare tactics either.
     
  7. demsd

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    And when it does... who's butt you gonna kiss? :D
     
  8. demsd

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    :D As if a cable/satellite/TV network exec is going to tell you it would be better. If you buy that, I have a time-share on the moon I can sell you.
     
  9. runner861

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    This is exactly where I would like to see the market go.
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    I think (as I've said) the market has spoken and a la carte across the board is not coming back. Whenever people were given the choice of individual channels vs bundled channels w/ discount, people generally choose more options.

    Having said that... given the economy right now AND the general model, I agree that there has to be a price ceiling somewhere... (I started a thread in the General Sat forum to try and find out where people think that price ceiling is, but it isn't getting much traffic).

    Ultimately we all have a price beyond which we will pay no more... and if the cost comes to that point, we will drop packages to stay within our budget.

    When that happens... the only way for companies to increase their profit will be for marginal channels to drop off the board.

    Strangely, a la carte AND bundles could have the same future... that being a future with less channels available for the same money we pay now.

    So I don't see new channels being added at nearly the same rate we have seen in the past 10 years. Also, some SD channels might never have the money to go HD... and those ultimately will fail and go away as more and more people adopt HD as their sole viewing option.

    I see larger suites like HBO eventually being forced to save money and consolidate their channels... showing essentially the same movies with less repeats on half or less of the current channels they have now.

    I see the same with channels owned by the same company... I'm surprised, for example, that Universal HD didn't go away once NBC/Universal upgraded all their other properties (USA, Syfy, etc.) to HD.

    I'm amazed that we still have the CW and the FOX-owned My Network. I'll be surprised if they are still around in 5 years.
     
  11. Stewart Vernon

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    I had this same argument back then... There was hoopla to provide free converter boxes... but no hoopla to provide free antennas, install those free antennas, and provide free electricity to power those.

    Even the "emergency broadcast" scenario isn't applied across the board.

    The guarantee is that IF you have the right equipment to receive OTA, then you can watch for no additional cost... but there is no caveat that says you are entitled to receive for free via cable or satellite or internet IF you can't or choose not to receive via OTA.

    To continue along these themes... the US Constitution guarantees "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"... but it guarantees no specifics. In other words, you aren't guaranteed a home to live in or food to eat or video games to play. You are only guaranteed the opportunity to obtain those things.

    For broadcast TV... you are only entitled to what you can receive via an OTA antenna. For anything else, you might have to pay to get it if there is not another free option voluntarily provided.

    Heck, how about one of the rules we have on DBSTalk for example. You can visit here for free and post for free. You can also visit Satellite Guys' Web site for free. BUT you cannot go to Satellite Guys and copy/paste someone else's free public post here in its entirety without permission to do so. Vice-versa is also true. Both are free-to-access Web sites often discussing the same topics, and clearly it benefits either site if you "advertise" the other site by re-posting something you saw at one site on the other for discussion by people who only visit one site and not both... but you don't have the right to do so without first gaining permission.
     
  12. demsd

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    I don't know how you can say that. Do you have some kind of magic calculator that tells you how many people are subscribed to a package that probably does not get some of the most popular channels - and how many of them would subscribe to those channels in a A La Carte scenario, thus increasing revenue for those networks?

    If you believe the carriers, networks and anti A La Carte talking heads, then you can make all the assumptions you want and think you are right.

    Prove your point. Telling everyone how you know what you are talking about and that we should listen to you is not enough. Opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one. Having an opinion does not make you an authority, nor does it make your opinion any more valid than that of another [i.e. me].

    Where is Capitalism and the free market without the people who are opening their wallet?
     
  13. Hoosier205

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    Common sense and logic.
     
  14. sigma1914

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    Legit studies have been done. He's right.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    It bears repeating that capitalism + free market is what caused people to drop their a la carte options on C-band in favor of packages/tiers on DBS dishes.
     
  16. James Long

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    I wonder how much Fox charges for their channels on Mars?

    The US TV market is not an a la carte world. Fox would never agree to a provider offering their channels a la carte. They thrive off of having millions of non-viewers pay for their programming. It is in Fox's best interest to make sure they are never in an a la carte world.

    Even if it means being in a not-retransmitted world for a few days.
     
  17. runner861

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    Legit studies are one thing. Actual, real-world experience is quite another.
     
  18. runner861

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    That wasn't the reason people dropped C-band. The dishes were too big and had to be mechanically moved from satellite to satellite. They took over a day to install.

    DBS dishes are smaller and don't have to be moved. They can be installed in a half hour. Usually, one or maybe two fixed satellites will get the subscriber all the channels he/she wants.
     
  19. demsd

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    How does A La Carte TV equate to a per show system? Al la Carte music is an obvious difference than A La Carte TV would be. Unless of course you were paying $103/month to watch unlimited movies/TV channels that included all networks.
     
  20. demsd

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    Sounds like you want A La Carte.
     
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