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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.

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  1. Oct 1, 2010 #281 of 2032

    satexplorer Superstar

    Feb 6, 2007
    Dock X
  2. Oct 1, 2010 #282 of 2032

    slickshoes Legend

    Sep 20, 2009
    I just posted this on Fox's anti Dish wall, if you love Dish for sticking up to these greedy aholes, then I encourage you to do the same. (kinda vulgar, sorry)

    What all you people don't realize is that these huge mega greedy corporate *******s like Disney and FOX are screwing YOU the consumer. An increase of over 50%??? FU Fox...and thank you Dish network for not rolling over and paying for their bull****, like the other providers have. Now FOX is scaring you into thinking that they are right, and telling you to switch providers!? Well go right ahead, and you are all just like the sheep they hope we would be, paying out the nose for entertainment that the other providers happily pay and don't give a **** about the consumer and just want to wipe their ass with more 100's. I'm so sick of this **** happening, and the FCC and the government won't do a damn thing about it, they are too busy doubling your healthcare.
  3. Oct 1, 2010 #283 of 2032
    bones boy

    bones boy Godfather

    Aug 25, 2007
  4. Oct 1, 2010 #284 of 2032

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    Good luck to you guys. Hope it gets resolved. Dish without these channels could get hammered and that is not good for anyone. Nor is a massive rights fee hike.

    Of course, as a Directv customer who watched the Versus debacle on our system, you learn that most often neither side (in this case Dish or Fox and Disney) tells the whole unspun truth. I'm sure they are asking for a lot of money but 50% sounds like hyperbole or, at least, a spin on the numbers.
  5. Oct 1, 2010 #285 of 2032

    phobos512 Mentor

    Nov 20, 2007
    I'd love to post on Fox's wall but unfortunately you have to "like" them to post. So F that. Since there're likely Fox personnel following this discussion, it's unfortunate that I won't be able to watch SOA anymore but you can GO F*** YOURSELVES!

  6. Oct 1, 2010 #286 of 2032

    rstewart New Member

    Feb 7, 2008
    This goes to show that it is long past time to unbundle channels. I used to agree that bundling cost less overall but I'm in the opposite camp now. The way that all of the major media conglomerates have raised their pricing proves that it's time for them to unbundle so that we (the consumers!) can decide what price we're willing to pay for their content. The way they're currently going is driving people away from satellite and cable to the internet. I'm willing to pay for content if I think the price is fair but they need to unbundle so I can make that determination.

    If a network overprices their offerings and no one buys them then they deserve go under.

    Yes this will lead to a smaller number of channels but isn't that the point of a fair and open market? The good channels that people are willing to pay for survive and the weak die?

    I believe that cable/satellite providers should have a base fee that includes the cost of providing service and the public interest type channels (public access, c-span, etc) then all other channels (including local stations!) should be priced a la carte and may the best channels/media companies compete for our business.
  7. Oct 1, 2010 #287 of 2032

    joshjr Hall Of Fame

    Aug 2, 2008
    NE Oklahoma
    It wouldnt be a matter of if. All stations would overprice. They would have to in order to start out that way not knowing how many people would jump on the wagon. Do you really see any station lowering the price later on because more subs are on board? I highly doubt it. Its still cheaper to offer channels together in bundles. Thats the facts.
  8. Oct 1, 2010 #288 of 2032

    BigRedFan Legend

    Mar 28, 2010
    Miami, Florida
    Hi James.... These are very impressive numbers you've posted (about DISH's negative net worth)...

    Is it public knowledge what constitutes the majority of this debt ? (ie. capital expenditures for new satellites, TIVO lawsuits ,etc. )

    It's puzzling to see how DirecTV's business model (theoretically the same as DISH's) can prevent such a massive debt and DISH's cannot....

    I truly hope DISH can improve their balance sheet dramatically since it does no one any good to lose a healthy competition between the 2 satellite providers (if DISH is weakened substantially) ...

    Moreover, the DirecTV numbers (ridiculous profit and net worth) are nauseating given Satellite Racer's continuous tango excuses for not adding all the new HD which D12 was expected to deliver...

    Your financial comparison (between the 2 companies) speaks louder than any new excuse we may hear from DTV (about new HD investments)... Great post!
  9. Oct 1, 2010 #289 of 2032

    Eksynyt Icon

    Feb 8, 2008
    DirecTV is already smoking Dish money-wise and this will be the final nail. If local Fox channels in New York and LA go out for a significant length of time, Dish will be gone. They will lose millions of subscribers.
  10. Oct 1, 2010 #290 of 2032

    Satelliteracer Hall Of Fame

    Dec 6, 2006
    Good luck with that. Someone like ABC who owns "Non sports" content as well as sports content (ESPN, etc) and FOX (same situation) basically won't allow that. It''s how they get such great distribution on their sports channels by leveraging their other content.
  11. Oct 1, 2010 #291 of 2032

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008
    I'll support the company that makes a better profit and cost me less money for the channels, packages, and setup I want. That company is DirecTV. When a company profits, that means they are doing something right. After all, customers choose to support said company; said company does not force customers to join them

    Not only does Dish not even offer what I watch, EI and MLBNetwork, to get the same channels (minus those of course since Dish does not offer them) and the same setup, I would need to pay about $3 more for Dish.

    Coincidentally, the topic of discussion I had with my students today in my Stats class was, "Do the Number Lie?". One thing we discussed is how individuals post honest numbers, but do so in a misleading way, often by leaving out important information out. This is an example of such.

    What you failed to include in your annual profit per customer comparison is the breakdown of specific package which increases average cost, and are not even offered by Dish. Sure the average Direct sub pays more, because included in this average are a lot of subs that pay $300 annually for ST, and $100+ annually for EI and other sports packages (both ST and EI, the two most expensive one are not even offered on Dish). We can also add, that a much larger proportion of Direct subs pay for additional expensive sports packages than those with Dish. This alone will move the mean annual payment up.

    If you want to do an honest comparison, compare the price the average sub pays annually without the addons (which are optional) that the other provider does not even offer. Or simply compare comparable setups.

    This here is a more accurate comparison. When all things are equivalent, the difference in price is not all that great, particularly when you add additional equipment. Keep in mind, in order to get the same channels one gets on Choice Extra, they must go up to the higher AT250, because the AT200 does not have many of the channels included in Choice Extra

    Excel Spreadsheet Download (Comparing all prices for all setups between Dish and Direct)

    I am including the HD fee even though both providers offer it for free to some
  12. Oct 1, 2010 #292 of 2032

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008
    Impressive when the numbers are spun
  13. Oct 1, 2010 #293 of 2032
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Yes ... but it isn't the topic of this thread. Those figures were presented as a reply to a specific post that claimed DISH was rolling in the dough and could afford to pay any price a provider demanded for channels without passing the price on. Now we have an actual channel outage to discuss we should discuss the real topic of the thread.
  14. Oct 1, 2010 #294 of 2032
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Guys, if you have a problem with the moderation of the forum please send a PM (per forum rules).

    A post was made that violated forum rules and it was taken care of. That is all that needs to be said in public on the topic. Any further questions? Please PM a moderator.
  15. Oct 1, 2010 #295 of 2032

    joshjr Hall Of Fame

    Aug 2, 2008
    NE Oklahoma
    PM sent thanks.
  16. Oct 1, 2010 #296 of 2032

    xzi Icon

    Sep 18, 2007
    You can defend either side all you want, but none of it changes that fact that they don't get the deal done far enough ahead of time that it doesn't screw the customer and that's unacceptable. This is old hat with DISH, and something DIRECTV works very hard to prevent--it just shows where their priorities are. They run the risk of being worse than Time Warner Cable at this rate with negotiations and that's not easy to do!

    Consumers should be putting up 15 websites with URLs like www.wedontcarewhosfaultitis.com and www.justgetthedealsdone.com. It's a joke.
  17. Oct 1, 2010 #297 of 2032

    tsmacro Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2005
    You realize of course every time there's a channel dispute someone predicts it's the final straw for Dish and now they will surely go bankrupt right? People have been posting pretty much the same thing as you for years. Guess what it's never happened I don't see it happening this time either. But I suppose if you want to be right bad enough you could just post that over and over again for years on end and maybe eventually you'll be right, but that would be just kind of silly.
  18. Oct 1, 2010 #298 of 2032

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008
    PM sent 1/2 ago
  19. Oct 1, 2010 #299 of 2032

    Willh Legend

    Jan 1, 2009
    well i wonder if there's any lawyers who have Dish Network, if so, i wonder when we will see the Lawyers stand up for customers of Dish for years of deception with there customers and years of carriage disputes.

    and my best advice, instead of sending messages to the companies involved of the disputes, bring in a third party, a politician

    send a e-mail to those in charge of the FCC, you state senator or congressman/congresswoman. that's the perfect way to let our voices be heard on this cable/satellite industry wide problem of carriage disputes.
  20. Oct 1, 2010 #300 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    I'm just amazed that people think Dish should pay whatever FOX or anyone else wants... and somehow those people don't grasp the concept that WE subscribers would end up paying the cost.

    Charlie isn't being "cheap"... WE ARE! IF we stopped complaining about price increases and all went to auto-pay and said to Dish "take whatever you need"... then there would never be a dispute again.

    So please don't complain about prices AND complain when Dish tries to keep the prices down. Pick a side, and then at least you would be consistent.
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