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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

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  1. Oct 4, 2010 #461 of 2032
    GrumpyBear

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    And doing just that about how it effects you is totally in your right, correct thing to do, and perfectly understandable.
     
  2. Oct 4, 2010 #462 of 2032
    joshjr

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    That may be the case but I it can not be good for a large satellite provider that offers very little sports to lose more of what little it actually had. If you throw in any kind of local FOX affiliate especially in a large city we will see what happens. Im not saying this will make E* go under but it wont be good for them either. With D* offering what they do for ST each year that is the perfect reason for someone not able to see the local game on FOX to switch. Yes I know that hasnt happened yet but it could be right around the corner.

    Personally my thoughts were E* could not really afford to lose any more sports coverage to consider them as even providing any period. Its one thing to not have certain channels and another to not have major sports league packages. E* just seems to tell all sports fans we are not the provider for you but if you want to save a little money and can be happy with us dropping channels then you can be our customer. Thanks but no thanks.

    What happens if this does not get resolved and next year E* has another rate increase? Do you think people will do more then get mad then? I know a few E* subs here that plan to leave over this already.
     
  3. Oct 4, 2010 #463 of 2032
    SayWhat?

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    You'd probably have a lot of happy people if they didn't have to pay for a bunch of channels they never watch.

    Once again, let us choose a general entertainment package and let those who want a sports add-on pay extra for it.
     
  4. Oct 4, 2010 #464 of 2032
    James Long

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    It is kinda funny ... I picked DISH Network over DirecTV because of their low end priced package but I've never subscribed to it. I had an apartment with cheap private cable providing the basic channels. I moved to a house that had a cable service drop installed (but not connected to wall jacks?). The lowest basic cable bill was too high so I picked the system that was the least expensive.

    Even though I've never subscribed to it having that low end package sold me on DISH being the low cost option. (The same could be said about sports and DirecTV but this isn't a DirecTV thread, is it?) I made the decision to pay more to get the channels I get ... and I can always go to AT120 if I need to (although I'd probably drop receivers first).

    I've watched channels go and come (yes, in that order) but mostly they come (and my increasing bill reflects that). I do not expect channels like these to be off for more than a couple of months at the most. I do expect that this won't be resolved until November (if it isn't resolved in the next week). Both sides seem to be too stubborn.
     
  5. Oct 4, 2010 #465 of 2032
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    First of all, I meant "large" not "largeR." Typo.

    Second, E*, is probably quite well aware of their target audience. E* has never optimized sports coverage. They lose some of their audience as a result - I"m a case in point. I jumped ship to D* because I wanted hockey in HD. Still, there are plenty of people who stick with E* despite the lack of sports because they don't care either way.

    Believe it or not, a sizable percentage of the US population is female and women ON AVERAGE are less interested in sports than men. And, you've also got a good chunk of men who don't give a rat's a about sport's coverage.

    I agree that the RSN is going to be a necessity for all carriers, including E*, but I think they'll do fine under emphasizing sports. They always have.
     
  6. Oct 4, 2010 #466 of 2032
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    Yep, I kind of figured that a sizable percentage of the US population is female and I agree that ON AVERAGE women are less interested in sports than men. But not by as large a margin as you might think. When the camera pans the crowd at a MLB, NFL, NBA. NHL, WNBA, WPGA, or any college game you'll see a huge number of women cheering for their team. Men think they rule but women know better. I wonder what Mrs. Charlie thinks.
     
  7. Oct 4, 2010 #467 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

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    Ok... let me be sure I'm understanding.

    You switched from DirecTV to Dish to save money...

    Now FOX wants more money, which would translate to Dish charging more money...

    And you are taking the side of FOX?

    Can you see why that doesn't make sense?

    IF Dish raises rates (and they will at some point anyway), will you forget all about how you now want your channel more than you wanted to save money?

    You left DirecTV to save money... Dish let FOX take some channels away to save money... that seems like the same thing to me!
     
  8. Oct 4, 2010 #468 of 2032
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    In today's (Sunday) Miami Herald, FOX purchased a full-page full color advertisement which will probably cost DISH alot of South Florida subscribers if this dispute is not settled soon.

    The ad is made up of a large color photo of the new Miami Heat superstars trio in their Heat jerseys (LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh) and over the large photo is the SUN SPORTS logo plus the following message:

    "Attention DISH NETWORK Customers !.... Watching the New Big 3's debut may not matter to Dish Network, BUT IT MATTERS TO YOU.... Pre-Season: October 5, HEAT vs. PISTONS.... October 8, HEAT vs. THUNDER...."

    "DISH NO LONGER CARRIES: FX, SUN SPORTS, FS FLORIDA, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC CHANNEL"

    "Don't wait, there are other providers that will give you what you paid for:
    AT & T U-verse, Comcast, DirecTV..."

    Given the fever pitch/excitement/massive publicity that the new Heat team has reached here in South Florida, there will be many non-hardcore sports fans (who chose DISH instead of DTV) who will expect to find the Heat playing on DISH as part of their "basic" channel package, as it is on cable, etc. ....

    Come Tuesday it may not be a pretty picture for DISH down here (once subs tune in to SUN SPORTS expecting to see LeBron/Dwayne/Chris and find Charlie instead)...
     
  9. Oct 4, 2010 #469 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

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    Both and neither probably.

    Dish says "FOX wants a 50% increase"

    FOX says "No, we just want some of the massive Dish profits"

    Maybe they aren't explicitly asking for a 50% increase per channel, but rather placement in a lower tier. Two ways for FOX to get more money: Charge more per channel OR charge the same (or marginal increase) BUT get more subscribers.

    So... maybe FOX isn't asking for 50% more per channel... but the result of being in a lower tier would represent a 50% increase in what Dish currently pays for FOX programming.

    Meanwhile... IS Dish making massive profits? Their reported numbers don't seem to support that... also doubtful they are making "massive profits" on FOX channels IF you believe FOX when they say they aren't asking for much per channel. How can the profits be "massive" if FOX isn't charging much?

    Also... IF FOX decides to hold local-FOX-owned channels hostage over this when those contracts expire... then THAT just nails the coffin to me in favor of supporting Dish because clearly FOX would be less concerned about their viewers (YOU and I) than they are about squeezing every penny out of a down economy... and honestly for as hard as it is for me to cut back sometimes IF FOX cuts it back for me, then I can adapt to that.

    Just ask the NHL about its year-long strike where the owners said they lost less money during the strike than they would have playing the season... and when they came back, they didn't get all the fans back... because many NHL fans learned how to live without hockey and didn't miss it after it stayed away too long.

    In the short run is where Dish will be hurt IF they are hurt at all. The longer the dispute goes on, the more it hurts FOX (and Disney for their dispute)... because if people haven't left Dish over this in the next week or two, then people won't be leaving Dish over it.
     
  10. Oct 4, 2010 #470 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

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    Here's a thought... How about FOX save that money they spent on the full-color full-page advertisement and put that towards the money they aren't getting from Dish since they decided to take their football and run home!

    :)

    IF FOX cared about viewers, they could easily have agreed to keep their channels online during the negotiations process. Dish might be playing pricing hardball, but FOX is the one who chose to cut the feed and get no money instead of taking the current rates while negotiating for a new price.
     
  11. Oct 4, 2010 #471 of 2032
    Chihuahua

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    Actually, the NHL had a year-long lockout, not a strike.
     
  12. Oct 4, 2010 #472 of 2032
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    Because if they can drive DISH customers to a competitor that carries their services, FOX increases their revenue.
     
  13. Oct 4, 2010 #473 of 2032
    James Long

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    So ... does that mean that the revenue Fox is turning down by not being on DISH is less than they would make via another carrier? IE: Fox charges other carriers more than DISH? That sounds like DISH's past negotiations have been able to keep the prices down, as DISH claims.

    If the amount Fox charges every carrier is the same then a subscriber via DISH is just a subscriber. They might as well be carried.

    If the amount Fox charges DISH isn't a lot less than other carriers it seems that they would lose more viewers (and revenue) by choosing not to be on DISH than they gain in viewers (and revenue) they attract to other services. And if one believes the higher rate they want from DISH is the same as they are charging others it would have to be a lot higher to make up for the viewers (and revenue) lost completely.

    Is it a point of pride? Knowing that there is a base level of subscriber that CHOOSES not to subscribe to their channels? Those people will likely continue to choose to not subscribe to their channel ... so there is no conversion unless the whole company fails. I don't believe Fox wants that.
     
  14. Oct 4, 2010 #474 of 2032
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    100% agree :)
     
  15. Oct 4, 2010 #475 of 2032
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    Doesn't have to be much when your talking about 14 million viewers .
    Why should Dish network get to pay less?
    They have over 4 million less subscribers then D*
    And most likely 5-10 million less then comcast.

    Sorry , but Dish should be forced to pay atleast the same rate if not more then D* and comcast.
     
  16. Oct 4, 2010 #476 of 2032
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    As a customer, I would appreciate it if you wouldn't speak for me. I am all for Dish standing up to Murdoch and Fox for as long as it takes.
     
  17. Oct 4, 2010 #477 of 2032
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    Good. I hope other markets follow suit. Florida alone is going to kill Dish on this, they lose two title contending teams feeds, Heat and Magic. I doubt too many Heat fans who have been waiting months to see LeBron, Wade, and Bosh in action are going to stay with Dish if they have to miss games. Same with Magic fans.
     
  18. Oct 4, 2010 #478 of 2032
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    Pro sports...in Florida....they really have fans???????
     
  19. Oct 4, 2010 #479 of 2032
    SayWhat?

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    Not likely. Despite your bias, the world does not eat, drink and sleep sports.

    I'd be quite happy if there was never another sporting event televised at all.
     
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    If that's your only option, that's just sad.
     
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