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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.

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  1. Oct 6, 2010 #681 of 2032
    SergeantPinback

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    I've got no problem with that.

    I'm on the hook for a 350K mortgage for a home that I've watched slip in value over the last four years, to about 175K, because the rich and powerful in this country decided to screw with the economy.

    The way I figure it, I've got a lot more coming to me before I even break even and anyone who wants money out of me is gonna have to fight hard to get it, especially when they go back on the service they are supposed to provide.
     
  2. Oct 6, 2010 #682 of 2032
    Greg Bimson

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    It is true in the sense that it is a fairly decent timeline. The missing component is what happened after Liberty took over DirecTV...

    NewsCorp does not have a stake in DirecTV. John Malone and Liberty Media had about a 17 percent stake in NewsCorp, and to get John Malone out of that stake, Murdoch traded DirecTV for that stake. That firmly made Liberty the largest stakeholder.

    Sometime last year, NewsCorp addressed the conditions set forth by the FCC regarding the merger. Because NewsCorp no longer had a stake in DirecTV, the arbitration rule was voided, because NewsCorp is no longer distributing multichannel programming.

    Liberty then had to divest DirecTV for some reason. What was once a 40 percent controlling stake has been reduced to a pile of common stock that only controls about 6 percent of the company. DirecTV is now an independent company, just like Dish Network.

    BTW, Comcast has that same provision regarding all of its RSN programming except for CSN Philadelphia. During the Versus dispute, the remaining CSN sports nets were on DirecTV during the arbitration process.
     
  3. Oct 6, 2010 #683 of 2032
    Hoosier205

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    Who went back on the service they are supposed to provide? Dish Network certainly didn't. They are still providing you with the same service you have been paying for.
     
  4. Oct 6, 2010 #684 of 2032
    mnassour

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    Wellllll......I think his view is that if Dish cuts off any channels (for any reason whatsoever) then he is not getting the service for which he signed up. Yes, I know Dish reserves the right to change programming, blah, blah, blah, but tell that to someone who's just been denied their football game.

    I'm thinking of jumping back on the Dish train from Direct myself. But fiascoes like this certainly don't make it any easier.
     
  5. Oct 6, 2010 #685 of 2032
    Hoosier205

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    Some people refuse to accept that they subscribe to a service which provides various channels which are subject to change. Customers were not promised these channels when they signed up. They were included then, they are not included now, and they were always subject to change. If a customer fails to understand that...we can only help so much.
     
  6. Oct 6, 2010 #686 of 2032
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    Directv crashed and burned after Liberty and John Malone took over and it shows no sign of improvement...they're sucking the $$$ out of the operation and ignoring the subs.

    RE: DISH and FOX...AAD (Sobongo) offers WNYW 5 (NYC sd), WFLD 32 (Chicago hd), KTVU 2 (Oakland sd), and KTTV 11 (LA hd). AAD is "not" suppose to be DISH, so it may be an alternative for some...that is if you're not on EA (Eastern Arc) !!!
     
  7. Oct 6, 2010 #687 of 2032
    MilFan

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    How many times can you say the same thing over and over? The above doesn't help ease the burden of people losing their favorite channels. When people come on this forum they are looking for a little empathy AS A CUSTOMER. It's like we have Dish Network lawyers all over this site.
     
  8. Oct 6, 2010 #688 of 2032
    Hoosier205

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    So you'd rather lie to them in order to make them feel better? These are adults and they should be able to handle the truth...the reality of the situation. The dispute over these channels isn't a free ticket out of a customer's agreement. We are all big boys and girls here. Either stay for the remainder of the commitment you agreed to or pay the ETF you agreed to. Those are the only options available. Someone saying that Dish Network isn't living up to their end of the agreement because of these channels is incorrect. It just isn't true and the sooner they figure that out, the better off they will be. There is no burden to ease. If you want the channels, get out of your commitment and sign on with a provider that offers them. If you don't want to do that then you'll just have to wait until this dispute has ended.

    It is one thing to be upset by the dispute. That is understandable. What is ludicrous and just plain silly is the assertion that Dish Network should void their agreement with a customer because of this dispute.
     
  9. Oct 6, 2010 #689 of 2032
    MysteryMan

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    Am not a lawyer but it's quite obivious DISH needs to spruce up their negotiating tactics. First Disney, then Fox, now MSG. All in a short span of time. Not a good batting average. But I am not without empathy. After all it is you, the "paying" subscribers who are suffering the loss. Not DISH or the three broadcasters.
     
  10. Oct 6, 2010 #690 of 2032
    MilFan

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    Bingo.
     
  11. Oct 6, 2010 #691 of 2032
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    I'm extremely irked that I'm losing "Sons of Anarchy" and "Terriers" on FX. I'm a scripted drama series nut. But I'm not looking for empathy, I'm looking for a way to do something about it by effecting change in the system.

    As a viewer, my frustration is directed at the media conglomerates and Congress when these negotiations fall apart, not the signal providers.

    You see, Dish and its competition appear not to be working in collusion.

    On the other hand, the media conglomerates Disney, Fox, and NBCU in the past three decades have created vertical structures from production to channel, pushing out independent content creators, buying up channels, and acquiring key DMA broadcast stations. Note that these are the three media conglomerates now involved with HULU.

    For the sports nuts, I don't understand why you aren't at least puzzling over the fact that this crap is going on after Congress exempted the leagues from anti-trust laws and at the same time deregulated to a significant degree those who control television.

    As a scripted drama nut, I am furious that broadcast television was significantly deregulated and no one in Congress seemed to have the fortitude to stand up when the independent content producers were put out of business.

    How can I be mad at Dish? At least Charlie is trying to keep these monopolistic thieves from picking my pocket further, a job Congress should be doing.
     
  12. Oct 6, 2010 #692 of 2032
    MysteryMan

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    Congress: The opposite of progress!
     
  13. Oct 6, 2010 #693 of 2032
    Hoosier205

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    Oh lord...please don't get Congress involved more than they already are.
     
  14. Oct 6, 2010 #694 of 2032
    puckhead

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    The same Congress whose campaigns are funded by said monopolistic thieves? Pass.
     
  15. Oct 6, 2010 #695 of 2032
    Joe Diver

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    For me, it was simple: I want my programming and I will go where it is offered.

    I really don't care where the problem is. I don't care whose fault it is. I don't care who is blaming who. I just want my channels.

    Fox and Dish look like a couple of kids in the playground who got mad at each other and threw their toys down on the ground...now won't talk to each other and just call names and "nya nya" taunts. All the while, the customer suffers.

    I know for many the loss of FX, NatGeo and the Fox RSN's isn't a big deal, but it is for me. It is a "deal breaker". Not being able to see 62 of 82 Dallas Stars games this season is simply unacceptable....along with a few of my favorite shows on FX and NatGeo. They just shut off 30% of my TV watching.
     
  16. Oct 6, 2010 #696 of 2032
    swallman

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    This is EXACTLY the problem and looks terrible from a customer service standpoint for both companies.

    From a customer's viewpoint, they really don't care who is at fault - they just want both side to get together and fix the problem. These contracts shouldn't be waiting until the last minute to get resolved - they should've been resolved months ago.

    I love the Dish hardware/software and programming, but this is the #1 thing that really irks me about Dish - they just don't seem to have it together from a negotiating standpoint.
     
  17. Oct 6, 2010 #697 of 2032
    Hoosier205

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    Now that's what I like to hear. Either you put up with the issue until it is resolved or you are upset enough to go elsewhere. Where are you going for programming and when? Good luck.
     
  18. Oct 6, 2010 #698 of 2032
    Greg Bimson

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    Hmm. Let me ponder this...

    Liberty took over DirecTV in February, 2008. So let's do this comparasion...

    In the 10 quarters reported since the takeover (the start of 2008 to the end of second quarter, 2010):

    DirecTV: 2 million net new subscribers
    Dish Network: 538,000 net new subscribers

    In taking only financials from 2009, Liberty's only full year:

    DirecTV revenues: $21.6 billion
    Dish Network revenues: $11.6 billion

    Or a reflection of the stock price:
    January, 2008: DISH $33.48
    Today: DISH $19.33 (down 42 percent)

    January, 2008: DTV $21.58
    Today: DTV $41.72 (up 93 percent)

    DirecTV crashed and burned? You must be talking about someone else! :)
     
  19. Oct 6, 2010 #699 of 2032
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    While I agree with you general sentiment, there is a problem here. Some are probably bound to E* through contractual agreements for a 2 year period. They signed up expecting to get all the channels that E* was advertising. Then, partway through the deal, they are told that they are not going to get one of the primary features they signed up for (namely sports coverage) but are still expected to honor their contracts. To me, that just seems plain unfair.

    I'm fine with letting market forces dictate everything - if you don't like the programming choices offered by your provider then you hit the road. But, in that case, the 2-year commitment stuff should be flat-out illegal.

    I'm sure E* and D* cover their butts in this situation, with fine print in the agreements. But, its a bait and switch thing and that just doesn't seem right to me.
     
  20. Oct 6, 2010 #700 of 2032
    paja

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    All these recent loss of channels makes me extremely happy I dumped DISH some time ago. I left shortly after the VOOM debacle( still smarting over the loss of MONSTERS HD) and I figured that this sort of nonsense would continue. When they tried to get me to commit for 2 years for an upgrade, I dumped them and am now with a provider in which I have ZERO commitment.I knew back then getting locked in with DISH would be a disaster. Thank god for providers that give you the equipment with NO COMMITMENT!!
     
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