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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.

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  1. Oct 6, 2010 #741 of 2032
    lparsons21

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    How about the current battle with G4? How do you think that will play out? And yes, D* has dumped channels in the past and you well know it. Don't put your head in the sand and pretend otherwise.

    Now back to the topic, which ISN'T what D* does or doesn't do... :)
     
  2. Oct 6, 2010 #742 of 2032
    Hoosier205

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    The last DirecTV/G4 deal ended in September. DirecTV still has G4. One member made a claim and then choose to dodge questions. You're right though, this thread isn't about DirecTV. Let's get back on topic.
     
  3. Oct 6, 2010 #743 of 2032
    James Long

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    How about everyone discuss Fox vs DISH and keep personal battles to themselves? This thread isn't a free for all.
     
  4. Oct 6, 2010 #744 of 2032
    Greg Bimson

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    Two paragraphs, and the second truly violates what was written in the first.

    And since we are now on the "DirecTV drops channels" bandwagon...

    Versus? Yes. For a slightly shorter amount of time than Dish Network.
    FX, NatGeo and multiple RSN's? No.
    Viacom? No.
    Disney's HD Channels? No.

    Oh yes, that's right. Because DirecTV has never actually dropped the channels that means they rolled over and took the deal. :rolleyes: Yet no one knows whether or not Dish Network actually had to eat crow and accept an offer no much different than what was offered before a cut-off.

    Face it. It's said the channels are removed to save you money, yet you didn't receive a discount automatically. Dish Network would be much happier giving you replacement programming to keep their revenue higher and the cost of offering the replacement programming is negligible than what they were spending on the dropped channels.

    I see who saved the money. Maybe Dish Network should also switch to Geico. :D
     
  5. Oct 6, 2010 #745 of 2032
    lparsons21

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    I don't know what D* did or didn't do to keep the channels, but frankly I don't care either. It is a fact that D* still doesn't have the national HD I want and watch, with one exception FX at the moment.

    I just chatted with E* about the issue and got an reasonable offer that reflects a valid credit for the current situation. I might have been able to dicker for more, but I felt the offer was appropriate and literally was what I had in mind.

    For me, cost is not the main issue, if it was, I'd switch to the local cable company for $75/month for internet, phone and TV and be done with it. It is can I get to watch what I want to watch at a price I'm willing to pay. With Dish, I can. With cable or D*, I can't. Simple really!! :)
     
  6. Oct 6, 2010 #746 of 2032
    Joe Diver

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    There's always a few in every forum. That's what the Ignore List is for. He just made slot #1.
     
  7. Oct 6, 2010 #747 of 2032
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    Baseball season is over, so I don't really miss the FSN channels for the time being. Didn't watch FX or NatGeo anyway. So, I'm willing to give them some time now.

    However, I keep seeing this about losing local Fox affiliate :mad:. If this happens for more than a day or so I'm sure I'll go from a huge Dish fan to the #1 Dish hater. The worst part is I'd still be stuck with them in their contract... I've been through the other Dish channel shutoffs and I don't recall any of them being so long and cutting off so many channels.

    So, to Dish Network.....this has gone too long already...GET A DEAL DONE! I know you want to get the best price and that's great, but holding your customers hostage is not acceptable. I'm not saying pay them whatever they want, but a good business takes care of things seamlessly in the background.

    I work for a phone company, how would you feel if we just came out and said, you can no longer call any numbers in California...and that we knew there was nothing you could do about it because a lot of the customers have a contract?
     
  8. Oct 6, 2010 #748 of 2032
    phrelin

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    Northern...
    Each time one of these discussions related to negotiations and costs starts up, somehow we see the "my service is better than your service" argument. I don't understand it and never have. If people have selected carefully for their own needs, it seems like an odd direction to take.

    I know what channels and equipment I want and I think I'm getting the best pricing from a long term customer's standpoint. Nonetheless, doubts are raised by the arguments. So I pull up my Dish bill and price out an equivalent package at DirecTV ignoring the new customer discounts and I get this:

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    I know from these threads that there are some channels in HD on one that are not HD on the other. In either case I could survive. Because I'm not sure about DirecTV equipment, I'm assuming that this configuration will get me the ability to record four programs at the same time like I can with my 722 and 612.

    Yes, I can't get "whole house" with Dish. But Dish's external hard drive system is more suitable to my needs.

    Sooner or later I'm going to lose Cinemax for a penny and I'll drop it.

    So if I eliminate the "whole house" charge and Cinemax, DirecTV would still cost me $18.97 a month more.

    Yes, right now I'm not getting my FX shows at all nor my ABCFamily shows in HD. But I chalk that up to the need to try to keep the costs from going up $20 next year.

    Being a customer who is frustrated by being deprived of some of his TV shows doesn't mean I'm blindly willing to let the media conglomerates do what they want.

    I don't want it all now so badly I'll end up with almost nothing I can afford.

    Keep the faith Charlie! Both Charlie's, actually. Don't capitulate to Rupert's demands.
     
  9. Oct 6, 2010 #749 of 2032
    James Long

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    Do you believe DISH gets a discount for the time the channels are not carried? If they are never carried again, yes, but I would not be surprised if the terms of the new deal started Oct 1st and DISH ends up paying for the time they could not carry the programs in order to get permission to carry the programs in the future.

    Fox is the monopoly here ... DISH can't simply say "we'll get our sports from someone else" and with Fox's trick of pulling their content off of non-owned sports channels Fox has demonstrated that they are willing to hurt everyone ... regardless of how they subscribe to TV ... to keep their content off of DISH.

    Fox is spewing a lot of big numbers in a misleading manner - I'd like to see the same numbers for Fox's operations. How much money did they make last year? Their funniest complaint relates to how Fox stations are not compensated in the same way as cable stations. Their spiel complains about cable channels are compensated twice ... once by advertisers and once by charging subscription fees while Fox stations only get paid by advertisers. Yet they DO charge subscription fees to cable and satellite providers ... so they are getting paid twice ... and they also own cable networks. The irony of Fox complaining about how cable networks are compensated when they own cable networks! I guess they are just in it for the money. Greedy? How much profit did Fox make last year? And they want to raise rates more?

    I'd like to see Fox's claim about how much they are asking DISH for. So far DISH has provided numbers and Fox just cried about wanting something fair. DISH's numbers say Fox wants 50% and DISH is offering "double digits" (at least 10%). Why won't Fox say "the increase we have asked for is only xx%"? Probably because that number is damning to their argument. They can't say "we only want a 20% increase" because they would lose the public battle. So it is better for them to stay vague. Which is what they are doing.
     
  10. Oct 6, 2010 #750 of 2032
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    I'm going to stick it out with Dish for a while longer, especially with their integration with Google TV...the specs were reviled today.

    After being a D* customer for many years, I think Dish offers a comparable product, at a reasonable price and Dish seems to be on the leading edge of adding services that D* has not done yet, like Sling and Google TV.

    This Fox issue will be cleared up soon. I'm glad that Dish is standing up to them.
     
  11. Oct 6, 2010 #751 of 2032
    JoeTheDragon

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    Dish does things real cheap they take a dual tuner box and call it multi room. even when one tv is SD only.

    They cheap out a RSN hd feeds and I don't thing the RSN like being muxed down to 1 HD feed for college football as the makeing it 1 feed cuts out the local ad's.
     
  12. Oct 6, 2010 #752 of 2032
    Hoosier205

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    Your list is not accurate.
     
  13. Oct 6, 2010 #753 of 2032
    Greg Bimson

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    So making a valid comparasion includes "ignoring the new customer discounts" with DirecTV but including the discounts you are getting with Dish Network now, like Cinemax for a penny and "HD for Life"?
     
  14. Oct 6, 2010 #754 of 2032
    lparsons21

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    You're probably right.

    He most likely could get HD Access for free (-$10), MRV not the same ( -$3), and one DVR lease (-$5), but the total at D* for his example would still be higher by about $18/month.
     
  15. Oct 6, 2010 #755 of 2032
    Hoosier205

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    There are other inaccuracies as well, but this isn't the best thread to discuss it.
     
  16. Oct 6, 2010 #756 of 2032
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    So has there been any word on any negotiations at all? Or are the lawyers just sitting in their offices throwing press releases at each other?
     
  17. Oct 6, 2010 #757 of 2032
    phrelin

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    OK. Dish's is my bill, so I know that's what I'm paying. I went to DirecTV's web site and proceeded to seek service as a new customer. They seemed to be very clear on their web site in my cart listing:

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    I'm listing everything they list other than the "new customer" discounts. Are you saying that the $5 1st receiver discount and/or the $4.97 "Watch More Save More" discounts are normal for regular long-term customers? If so, that would drop the difference to $9.

    I'm ok with any other corrections anyone else can offer.
     
  18. Oct 6, 2010 #758 of 2032
    James Long

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    Not without Choice Ultimate or Platinum (we'll find out what the next offer is tomorrow). He listed Choice Xtra.

    Adding in what people can get if they call in and beg for credits often is too complicated. Comparisons, if done, should be based on what everybody has available to them.
     
  19. Oct 6, 2010 #759 of 2032
    Hoosier205

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    Yes, those discounts are for the duration of the commitment. You probably would not be paying the $10 HD access fee either. Also, you would be able to get other discounts after your "new customer" discounts expired, which would keep your bill lower.
     
  20. Oct 6, 2010 #760 of 2032
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    You should be their paid spokesperson! Nicely done.
     
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