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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.

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  1. Oct 6, 2010 #761 of 2032

    AMike Godfather

    Nov 21, 2005
    As a D* subscriber, I'm keeping my eye on this situation since there could be similar activities coming down the road for all providers. Hopefully this situation will be resolved soon.

    One of the things that has not been mentioned has been the rights fees that the RSNs pay for content. The Texas Rangers have are getting $1.6 billion over 20 years from FSNSouthwest for their broadcast rights. How are they going to pay for that? Advertising and increasing their carriage fees. I'm hardly saying that Fox is in the right for that, but that is going to be the case for every RSN as sports rights fees continue to increase. And as a result, similar battles between networks and distributors will likely occur.

    Here's an article that dives deeper into the RSN rights fees from a baseball perspective: http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?...ports-southwest&catid=67:pete-toms&Itemid=155
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  3. Oct 6, 2010 #763 of 2032
    Greg Bimson

    Greg Bimson Hall Of Fame

    May 5, 2003
    Oh, and with that, I agree...

    However, one major issue would be something like FX. I wouldn't be surprised if they were asking for a 50 percent increase. I don't know when the last round of contracts were signed, but I assume it was during the timeframe DirecTV was owned by Fox. That means those contracts were negotiated during the mandatory arbitration timeframe, so the increases were most likely kept to a minimum. Add to the fact that four years or so ago, FX started broadcasting many shows that became quite highly watched, and maybe FX is asking for USA or TNT type money.

    After all, there are four million-plus AT 120 customers that don't get FX, but do get TNT and USA...
  4. Oct 6, 2010 #764 of 2032

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    From that story:
    Go get 'em Charlie and friends!
  5. Oct 6, 2010 #765 of 2032

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    And with Dish over the years I've gotten various discounts such as premiums for free. And that Cinemax for a penny deal I've had for three years.

    My original point was for most of us the reason to pick a provider should relate to:
    • Reception - in my case redwood trees make DirecTV problematic.
    • Desired programming, particularly sports and movies.
    • Equipment needs.
    Pricing differences are minimal and not part of the issue. And neither is which corporation's shareholders are doing better.

    I'm cheering for Dish and Cablevision. To me, this issue is about the future cost of satellite and cable service regardless of provider. It isn't about whether Dish or DirecTV or FIOS or U-Verse or a cable company is better. If Dish and Cablevision capitulate, all those providers will be charging more.
  6. Oct 6, 2010 #766 of 2032

    domingos35 Icon

    Jan 11, 2006
  7. Oct 6, 2010 #767 of 2032

    TBoneit Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006
    That dual tuner box isn't cheap, The original has a RF modulator to feed a 2nd TV, and a OTA tuner to record three HD channels at a time vs the HR series 2 channels. E* 3 Tuners vs D* 2 tuners, whose cheap. Oh yeah and the VIP series are all fast vs the HR24 = fast and hr20 to HR23 = slow, Cheap?

    The newer models using the add-on OTA tuner can record 2 Satellite channels and two OTA channels at once vs the HR series 2 channels total.

    Note to self: Get VIP922 with sling and tuner module and antenna on roof
  8. Oct 6, 2010 #768 of 2032

    TBoneit Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006
    Which reminds me, Charlie could be doing what I used to do with the cable company. They raised their rates & I either dropped something or suspended service until the savings from the drop equaled the increase fee for a year.

    Maybe he's not signing until the increased fees to Fox are wiped out by the lost revenue to Fox while they are off the system.
  9. Oct 6, 2010 #769 of 2032

    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    May 17, 2010
    If I remember correctly Fox pulled this same crap with TimeWarner last year.
  10. Oct 6, 2010 #770 of 2032

    Eksynyt Icon

    Feb 8, 2008
    The clock is ticking. If this drags on for 2 months, Dish will lose an irreparable amount of subs. Looking good for DirecTV.
  11. Oct 6, 2010 #771 of 2032

    kcolg30 Godfather

    May 11, 2010
    People who are in contracts and decide to leave will be FUBAR and will have to pay the penalty fee. :rolleyes:
  12. Oct 6, 2010 #772 of 2032

    fatpug AllStar

    Apr 11, 2007
    Do you Dish Network fans really think it is fair for them to charge for the multi sport pack after losing so many channels?

    I don't know if Dish or Fox is right on the contract issue but I do know it is NOT fair to charge full price for less channels.
  13. Oct 6, 2010 #773 of 2032

    mikeyinokc AllStar

    Jan 11, 2006
    Why should we have to pay to get out of the contract? Dish isn't providing the content we contracted for.
  14. Oct 6, 2010 #774 of 2032

    fireballer44 Cool Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    It's in big bold letters on their contract that they can change the price and channels you get at any time without letting you out of contract. It's actually a terrible incredibly one-sided contract and I feel like an idiot for having signed one.

    I'm just going to hope Dish can take care of this, losing the FSN channels permanently is a deal breaker for me.
  15. Oct 6, 2010 #775 of 2032

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008
    Keep in mind that the AT200 does not have all of the channels that Choice Extra has. Choice extra would be more equivilant to a package between AT200 and AT250. In order to get the same channels on Choice extra you would have to go up to the AT250
  16. Oct 6, 2010 #776 of 2032

    inazsully Icon

    Oct 3, 2006
    Hold on there Hoosier dude. Your use of the word WE is a bit out there. From what I've read here you are beating the Dish band like a true blue employee but don't include the vast, yes vast, majority of us in your WE grouping. The lawyer speak you keep referring to in the contract may indeed be right but that doesn't make it righteous. Maybe YOU'LL be glad to help but most of the WE's think the convoluted Dish contract is tantamount to theft by deception.
  17. Oct 6, 2010 #777 of 2032

    Jhon69 Hall Of Fame

    Mar 27, 2006
    Central San...

    I am too because if Dish network looses this I may have to readjust my date for going OTA and ROKU.;)
  18. Oct 6, 2010 #778 of 2032

    Hoosier205 Active Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    I guess you didn't catch it, but I am a DirecTV sub. The "we's" I was referring to are my fellow DirecTV subs who will be more than willing to help any new customers on that side. The Dish agreement is easy to understand and available to you to read - hardly deceptive.

    BTW...the Dish contract that you are so opposed to is basically the same customer agreement every provider has used for many, many years. So, you're a bit late to the party there.
  19. Oct 6, 2010 #779 of 2032

    Hoosier205 Active Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    Yes they are.
  20. Oct 6, 2010 #780 of 2032

    EW800 AllStar

    Oct 1, 2010
    I, too, would love to know if there has been any progress this week or if the phones have been quiet....
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