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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.

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  1. Sep 27, 2010 #61 of 2032

    SDWC AllStar

    Dec 14, 2005
    If it happens then E* will still have enough to effectively market the CI product.

    All Canadian teams via Rogers, HNIC, Leafs TV, etc. will be available.

    All Pens games via Fox Sports Pittsburgh wil be available. All CI carriage on Comcast Sports Net will be available. All games on MSG (albeit not in HD) will be available.

    What would happen is that many of the home & away multiple feeds would be missing until the resolution.
  2. Sep 27, 2010 #62 of 2032

    habsfan66 AllStar

    Mar 25, 2010

    Losing multiple feeds would be little problem to me as I'm a Hab's fan so I never get their home feed (RDS) anyway. But if the list of Fox channels I saw is wiped out then it looks to me like many games could be gone altogether which I can't agree would be effective unless they offer a huge discount which, in my opinion, they already should due to the MSG issue. I guess without seeing an actual schedule as to who's carrying what games, it's too early to tell what would be lost.
  3. Sep 27, 2010 #63 of 2032

    Hoosier205 Active Member

    Sep 3, 2007
    I am sure that if it happens and enough people complain, they will be offered something to appease them. Last season, many DirecTV customers received Center Ice for free when they called in to complain during the Versus/DirecTV dispute. Dish Network will find a way to keep enough people happy if they lose these channels.
  4. Sep 27, 2010 #64 of 2032

    epokopac Godfather

    Aug 8, 2007
    Great point MilFan. MLB, NHL, NBA, College Sports, etc. . Quite a bit of programming to lose on all those RSNs. The only reason to subscribe to the Multi Sports Pack would be for NFL Red Zone (for only 4 months). Hope cool heads (on BOTH sides) prevail.
  5. Sep 27, 2010 #65 of 2032
    Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    NatGeo & NatGeo Wild are owned by FOX.
  6. Sep 27, 2010 #66 of 2032

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    This is a dispute between Forbes World's Billionaires list #148(at $5.2 billion), Charles Ergen, and #117 (at $6.3 billion), Rupert Murdoch.

    It is only business, not about public or fan interest. And it is all about next year's price increase for Dish (and perhaps other cable and satellite system) customers as these two billionaires argue over maintaining their personal wealth.

    And, if you are not aware of it, the headlines are not just about Dish and Fox. In last week's Wall Street Journal article News Corp., Cablevision Square Off we learned:
    Cablevision is owned by Charles Dolan & Family ranked #367 at a paltry $2.6 billion.

    And we all wouldn't want the FCC to be able to intervene, as the free market is the best way to resolve disputes between egocentric billionaires in a manner that serves the public interest.:rolleyes:
  7. Sep 27, 2010 #67 of 2032
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    The question is who has the rights for those games and if Fox can legitimately withhold the feeds when the NHL is the ones with the rights (and a contract with DISH) to air the games.

    My guess is the games will be available via CI everywhere except their home market (where the RSN would retain rights). To know for sure one would have to have the contract in hand and permission to disclose it's content ... or check back after the stations go off the air (assuming no last minute reprieve).

    BTW: No changes in the uplinks to have a "we're sorry your FX/NatGeo/FSports is missing" channel.
  8. Sep 27, 2010 #68 of 2032

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008
    Why is it that Dish is the one that is almost always involved in these disputes, and way much more so than any other provider? When they are involved, they are usually very big. Yet, their prices with comparable channels and setups are not that much different than other providers
  9. Sep 27, 2010 #69 of 2032

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008
    Good point about CI, but what about LP, where a much higher percentage of games are carried on FSN affiliates?
  10. Sep 27, 2010 #70 of 2032

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008
    And that was only one channel. Imagine multiple channels
  11. Sep 27, 2010 #71 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    I don't know that it doesn't happen with other providers... but the Dish disputes do seem to be more public. Then again, I'm a Dish subscriber so I pay more attention. I don't really read the DirecTV or Time Warner (cable in my area) info as much to know what goes on there.
  12. Sep 27, 2010 #72 of 2032

    lparsons21 Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Mar 4, 2006
    Herrin, IL
    Maybe because you're reading here? :)

    These disputes are with more than just Dish and will continue as long as the greed keeps both Dish and the program providers ever looking for more, as in more of our money!

    In case you hadn't noticed, they are getting very contentious too, and not just with Dish. Just some different channels.
  13. Sep 27, 2010 #73 of 2032

    brewster57 New Member

    Sep 27, 2010
    Dish Network doesn't care about it's customers in some regards. I have been a Dish customer for 25 yearsand they don't raise prices very often. I live near St. Louis, Mo. Last year Fox Sports Midwest had a money dispute with Dish Network for coverage of the games of The St. Louis Blues hockey team. The first game of the season they blacked out the game after 4 minutes. They ended up blacking out half the games last year. This happened in Dallas with the Stars. Both teams sold the tv rights of their games to the Fox affiliates in that area. Dish Network wouldn't pay more money to show the games on Fox. So both cities didn't get to see half the games. But Direct Tv and the local cable companies both paid the increase. Emails, letters and phone calls to Dish and Fox Sports Midwest went unanswered. All Dish did was issue a form letter responce. Nothing else. So don't be so sure they won't turn off those stations. They don't care what customers think. It's nothing but rich companies fighting amongst themselves. If they cared about the customers they would at least ask us what we want to be done. I'm changing providers to either Direct Tv or cable. Screw Dish Network!!!
  14. Sep 27, 2010 #74 of 2032

    Slamminc11 Hall Of Fame

    Jan 27, 2005
    BYE! :wave: :wave: :wave:
  15. Sep 27, 2010 #75 of 2032

    brewster57 New Member

    Sep 27, 2010
    If you're a Dish Network customer you'll be saying bye bye too if they shut off your channels won't you???????????:eek2::eek2::eek2::eek2:
  16. Sep 27, 2010 #76 of 2032

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    Personally, I wish all the providers would take the DISH lead, and tell the programmers wanting to extort money for advertiser supported channels to take a hike. I mean really, these channels sell commercials. The fewer customers viewing, the less money they make on commercials. If they want to extort money, then drop the commercials, and make their channels premium. I am really getting tired of having to pay more and more money for less and less programming. Bravo to DISH for standing up, be it cuz they are cheap and dont care about their customers, or because they are trying to keep the customers money in their pockets and not the programmers.

    The mere fact DISH and DIRECTV have to pay local network affiliates money to carry their FREE OTA signal is totally ridiculous.

    And I lay all the blame for this mess directly on the deregulation policies of the FCC.
  17. Sep 27, 2010 #77 of 2032

    Dario33 Godfather

    Dec 15, 2008
    Unfortunate news. Hopefully something good happens by Sept. 30th.
  18. Sep 27, 2010 #78 of 2032

    brewster57 New Member

    Sep 27, 2010
    Now I will give Dish credit for one thing. They don't raise their rates very often. I got Dish when my cable bill was going up a dollar every month for a year. Over 25 years my bill has gone up about $10 a month. I had a $12 a month increase in one years time with cable. I'll keep Dish if they stop shutting off channels. They could at least ask the customers about this instead of no reply like they do now.
  19. Sep 27, 2010 #79 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Is it even possible to have been a Dish Network customer for 25 years?

    Also... "they don't raise prices very often"?? They do it almost every year, that seems kind of often.
  20. Sep 27, 2010 #80 of 2032

    comizzou573 Legend

    Aug 6, 2007
    why dish being such an ass turning these channels off, they a bunch of idioits, if these channels are going to be turned off for good i am going to directv **** dish already if this is their attitude
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