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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

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  1. Oct 7, 2010 #841 of 2032
    mdavej

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    But it will eventually when Fox tries to extort your new provider. Dish is doing everybody a favor by not caving in.
     
  2. Oct 7, 2010 #842 of 2032
    lparsons21

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    You are welcome to take your business to whichever service gives you what you want. That's the nice part about competition.

    But you only know that it doesn't affect you today, you do not know what tomorrow brings. If Dish bends over for Fox, you can bet your bippy that the rates will increase more than they would have, and you can bet the other bippy that the same thing will happen to you with another provider.

    BTW, by switching you gain sports and lose many national HD channels most likely. I assume you looked at that also?
     
  3. Oct 7, 2010 #843 of 2032
    Satelliteracer

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    All depends how many receivers are hooked up. What kind of experience you want (the two receivers feeding one tv for DISH is a LOT different experience than DIRECTV's receiver per tv), etc, etc.

    The devil is in the details.
     
  4. Oct 7, 2010 #844 of 2032
    James Long

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    The details were specified as HE would want his system configured ... not the way you or I would configure it for our needs and desires, but his personal needs. That also explains the choice of Choice Xtra vs AT200 ... to get a channel he wanted via DirecTV he needed the Choice Xtra package but via DISH that particular channel was in AT200 (or perhaps lower ... the channel wasn't named).

    We can all come up with our own way of spinning the price list but AS PRESENTED that comparison was of what fit his needs.

    And the comparison could have been worse. Take a customer who ONLY wants ESPN and the multi-sports pack and doesn't care about anything else and compare that price. $51.99 vs $76.98 if bought today. At least the comparison was close.
     
  5. Oct 7, 2010 #845 of 2032
    Satelliteracer

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    And on both websites they clearly say channels are subject to change. Just like all car commercials say "mileage may vary" or broadband companies say "download speeds may vary", etc, etc. If you're a season ticket holder to the Dodgers and they trade Manny Ramirez mid season, do you get a refund? The "contents" of the package you bought changed, right? I'm not trying to be cute about it, just showing real world examples in other industries where by the very nature of the business, things do change.

    It's a fluid business and MSO's try their level headed best to keep channels in certain packages without disrupting those packages. However, things do change from time to time and because there are so many channels those things will come up now and then.
     
  6. Oct 7, 2010 #846 of 2032
    adam1115

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    I doubt they'd even sue, just harass you with a collection agency for years on end, or charge your credit card without permission.



    Doesn't matter. They can put that, it doesn't mean they can do whatever they want.

    They have a HUGE MARKETING campaign designed to get people to switch to Dish because they have the NFL Redzone channel. If in the middle of the season they dropped it, they aren't providing what they advertised and what may be the sole reason someone signed the contract.

    There is a point that the service is completely different from the service that they advertised and you bought. I think one could make that argument if the rest of Fox disappears. It's egregious to offer a pay TV service without local channels and major cable stations that were advertised when you bought it. Yes, the programming is subject to change, meaning they can drop a channel without breaching the contract. But at some point they advertised a service that provided popular channels, and that clause isn't going to hold up in court.

    Unfortunately it'd probably take a class action lawsuit from quite a few people who paid the ETF....
     
  7. Oct 7, 2010 #847 of 2032
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    Fair point. I guess where I didn't explain as well as I should have is the experience you get as well. A two room setup for both companies may be an "apples to apples" comparison by some customers, but is it? When you use one box to feed service to two tv's (DISH scenario) is it the same experience even though you're saving on a mirroring \ lease fee? That's what I meant, it's more than just a side by side comparison but what you get for what you're paying for.

    How good is the HD. Can you watch HD on both tv's. Is one room in Mono vs Dolby in the other? Can one person be watching something on one tv that prevents the other tv from being used to view anything? Etc.

    The original comparison seemed to be a 2D flat comparison when maybe a deeper dive could be used. Of course, to be fair, it's all in what a person wants. If TV isn't that big a deal, then a quick side by side comparison may be all that is needed. If cost is the only issue, again...may be very relevant.

    I've always said to my friends, family, etc....choose the service that fits your needs. If cost is a major issue, D* may not be your best spot to land, or a bundled package may make sense from a Telco. If you like sports, then you may consider something else. Etc, etc.
     
  8. Oct 7, 2010 #848 of 2032
    James Long

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    I was referring to telling a judge that you were not getting the channels you paid for ... not defending against a claim of not paying your bill/ETF.

    By the time you got a case organized and was in front of a judge I'd expect the channels to be back on.
     
  9. Oct 7, 2010 #849 of 2032
    James Long

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    It depends. I only have one HDTV (and I have two HDTV receivers connected to it both DISH receivers just in case I want to record two things and watch a third live feed or compare reception between the receivers). Sending a SD signal to a second set (or in my case, every other SD set in my house via home distribution and an RF remote) works great. Two DISH HD receivers (which was what was quoted) could be two HD rooms and two SD rooms. He wanted HD in both rooms so two HD receivers were quoted.

    The MRV charge could be debated since DISH doesn't offer that service ... but it is something he would buy if he could and it isn't a major cost like comparing DirecTV with NFLST (regular price) vs DISH.

    I agree.
     
  10. Oct 7, 2010 #850 of 2032
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    Of course. I spent hours doing side by side comparisons, and it turns out I'm only losing 2 HD channels I watch and have in my channel favorites. Everything else stays the same. The channels that were lost I didn't watch anyway, plus I've gained a few I will watch....and the SD feed is there if I'm desperate enough and simply "must" watch a show on one of those channels.

    Besides...I'm a rabid hockey fan. I will not do without my Stars games. I was angry as hell last fall when they dropped 20 games due to a spat with Fox. Dropping 62 of 82 games is a no-go for me. I'll happily give up some national HD channels to get all my games...in glorious HD this season.

    They're here now installing it....my buddy just called and he says his picture quality is noticeably better.....That HR24 is a great looking unit. It's replacing the VIP622 I've had forever.
     
  11. Oct 7, 2010 #851 of 2032
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    Your research results represent what I've been puzzling over - why almost all rabid sports fans aren't on DirecTV? I think it speaks to the advantage of competition that you can get what you want. And as a "fallen-away" sports fan who loves scripted drama, having Dish works fine for me though, yes, I'm disappointed about FX. But I'm losing nothing important to me.
     
  12. Oct 7, 2010 #852 of 2032
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    Local FM radio stations here (owned by the same company that owns the Fox television outlet, Clear Channel) is running twice hourly ads now, telling how DISH is dropping the channels, and giving examples of popular shows you cant watch now, then finishes with "What good is an EMPTY DISH", gives a website to go to, where they claim you can change to a provider that carries them.

    Wonder if this advert is national?
     
  13. Oct 7, 2010 #853 of 2032
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    We hear it daily out in Los Angeles. Yes, it's national.
     
  14. Oct 7, 2010 #854 of 2032
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    Actually the Directv price for this given scenario would be $52.98 (Select plus the sports pack, $39.99 + $12.99):)
     
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    However putting your initial on every page of a mortgage contract does not constitute reading the document. Hence one of the reasons we find ourselves in the housing mess we are in today, with some folks trying to blame everyone but themselves.:)
     
  16. Oct 7, 2010 #856 of 2032
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    So it looks as if this FOX situation for FOX O&O's will join in the FOX dispute for my own viewpoint RIP Dish Network (1996-2010)... Just may be the case. Because Dish seems to always be in these disputes, it's no wonder Charlie the cheapf** doesn't care about his customers. He hates YES network, MLB Network and he seems that all he cares about is the alternative. So basically, why doesn't he become An hero for his treatment for Dish Network. If E* only gets The company should just file for Chapter 7 bankruptcy because all he cares about is pulling channels and lose subs to D*. What's the use of E* ever existing in the first place if this is the only thing they can offer and become a dumb dora of D*?
     
  17. Oct 7, 2010 #857 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

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    IF we aren't being disingenuous... then the same should be said of FOX.

    All FOX has to do is agree to accept the old contract rate while negotiating a new rate, and that too would put the channels back on air!

    AND this is something FOX can do on their own as they control their channel feeds... whereas in your scenario it requires both FOX and Dish to do something.

    Meanwhile, customers can also do as Joe Diver did... and change to DirecTV or some other provider that currently isn't having a dispute with FOX. That too would solve the problem for anyone currently missing a favorite show.
     
  18. Oct 8, 2010 #858 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

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    IF you hadn't posted that... I would have posted a similar example but with Randy Moss being traded from New England to Minnesota in the NFL. Probably a much better example than some of the others I've tried that are less perfect in some ways.

    Buying season tickets because you like a certain player... then that player gets traded... you don't get to return your tickets for a refund to the team ticket office.
     
  19. Oct 8, 2010 #859 of 2032
    James Long

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    Life is easier when providers advertise all of their packages. :D

    At least it makes you page through it - and unless your lender is a crook the right paragraphs are pointed out to you. Having customers initial the "we may change programming at any time" paragraph might cut down on some of the complaints from those who didn't ... but then they are kinda set in their non-reading ways.
     
  20. Oct 8, 2010 #860 of 2032
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    I would think a big change in price, channels etc. would void a commitment. A contract cannot be a one way street no matter what it says. Just because someone puts something in a contract, doesn't mean it is legal. A judge decides that. I wouldn't think twice about leaving Dish over this and not worry about them being able to enforce this clause. The more that do it, the harder for Dish to prevail. AFAIC. A renegotiation of the contract at minimum is required.
     
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