Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

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  1. Sep 27, 2010 #81 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    This comes up a lot... but the fact is that OTA is given free via OTA only. IF you want it via some other method, you have to pay. IF you have to pay Dish, DirecTV, or cable then why shouldn't they have to pay for permission to retransmit?

    OTA isn't in the public domain... you don't have the right to re-transmit and especially not to sell those re-transmissions without explicit permission.

    Some channels opt for "must carry" which means they cannot charge for re-transmission. Others opt to get a piece of the pie that the SAT/cable companies are charging.
  2. Sep 27, 2010 #82 of 2032
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    So how would your (or any other customer) threatening to leave Dish if they don't do exactly what you want be any different than Dish dropping a channel because they don't want to pay more for it?

    It's the exact same thing!

    You have the right to leave and go elsewhere.

    I hate when channels are lost... but I also hate when my bill goes up... and I also don't run the company.
  3. Sep 27, 2010 #83 of 2032

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    Doggie years :) DirecTv went live in 1994 I believe. Now, he may have HAD a dish for 25 years. I cant remember when I got my first BUD, but it was in that timeframe.
  4. Sep 27, 2010 #84 of 2032
    Greg Bimson

    Greg Bimson Hall Of Fame

    May 5, 2003
    The SHVA in 1988 wasn't created and mandated by the FCC. Neither was the Cable Act of 1992 nor the SHVIA of 1999.

    The "deregulation" was caused by Congress and the President.
  5. Sep 27, 2010 #85 of 2032
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    For good? Probably not. The channels may be turned off for a while but we're talking about decent channels. Eventually a deal will be made for their return.

    Perhaps it feels like 25 years?
  6. Sep 27, 2010 #86 of 2032

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    I remember when "Cable" was a big tv tower at some high point in town, feeding OTA tv to people who couldnt get it with antennas on their roof. You paid for the infrastructure and maintainance, or you put up your own antenna. Then came HBO, and competition on the free cable systems. I dont know at what point the FCC mandated that locals could charge for carriage on those systems, but it has really thrown a monkey wrench into the whole distribution system. Then the FCC protects the local affiliates by not allowing out of market reception thanks to the NAB lobbyists.

    In any case, instead of paying $50 a month for tv, we now pay $100 a month for tv because if the costs involved in providing duplicates of the same programming in all those LIL markets, and having to pay hundreds of stations across the country money to transmit their commercials.

    Just my personal opinion, but I think its a sad state of affairs.
  7. Sep 28, 2010 #87 of 2032

    Ohioankev Legend

    Jan 19, 2006
    I've paid FOX enough for their channels and now they want to pull them ? I'll just go "elsewhere" to watch Sons of Anarchy. There are multiple choices, to name two, my mom has cable, hulu has a two week wait period. BTW in my area FOX Sports OH, FX and NatGeo are the affected channels.
  8. Sep 28, 2010 #88 of 2032

    kenglish Icon

    Oct 2, 2004
    Salt Lake...
    Man...if the Government would just pay for ALL the expenses of running a local TV station, instead of stopping with just "Free Spectrum", there's be no need for commercials or retransmission payments, at all.

    I mean, How expensive can it be to run a station? A few salaries, some taxes, electricity, some taxes, equipment and maintenance costs, some government imposed fees, some taxes, property taxes, programming costs, some taxes, replacement costs for last year's obsolete equipment, some fees and taxes, gas for the cars and helicopter, some taxes,........


    Oops, I almost forgot COPYRIGHT FEES. :eek2:
  9. Sep 28, 2010 #89 of 2032

    projectorguru Godfather

    Mar 5, 2007

    Check it out, Fox is now telling, Dish, you have 3 days left, you can put in your zip and find what channels you will loose, hopefully I'll still be with Dish after Friday
  10. Sep 28, 2010 #90 of 2032

    scooper Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    Kansas City KS
    Well - my current programming package doesn't include Fox Sports Net South or FX or Nat Geo
  11. Sep 28, 2010 #91 of 2032

    TulsaOK New Member

    Feb 23, 2004
    I subscribed to Dish Network in early 1996, which, by the way, was their first year to be in business.
  12. Sep 28, 2010 #92 of 2032
    Greg Bimson

    Greg Bimson Hall Of Fame

    May 5, 2003
    So "Cable" back then was non-profit?
    The FCC never mandated locals could charge for carriage. That would be Congress and the President. It was the Cable Act of 1992.
    That would be Congress and the President. It was also the Cable Act of 1992. Additionally, it was the Satellite Home Viewers Improvement Act of 1999.
    If the subscription price doubled because of "costs involved in providing duplicates of the same programming in all those LIL markets," then why are the satellite companies setting record profits for their sector?
  13. Sep 28, 2010 #93 of 2032

    olguy Hall Of Fame

    Jan 9, 2006
    This has probably been asked in this thread but I'm old and forgetful :p. But where are you folks who are threatening to leave Dish over this dispute with Fox going? Last year Fox and Time-Warner, currently Fox vs Dish and Cablevision, currently Belo vs Time-Warner and on and on. And just prior to threatening to pull their channels from a provider Fox puts up another web page for that specific provider.

    This seems to have become the norm for conducting business between broadcasters and providers. So, if you find a haven with none of this retransmission negotiation going on let us know.
  14. Sep 28, 2010 #94 of 2032

    Dario33 Godfather

    Dec 15, 2008
    If anything, I'll be downgrading my service to America's Top 120 from America's Top 200.

    Only reason I have 200 now is for FX and FSN.
  15. Sep 28, 2010 #95 of 2032

    lparsons21 Hall Of Fame

    Mar 4, 2006
    Herrin, IL
    I for one, won't be dropping Dish if this happens. FX would be missed, but right now there are only 2 programs on there that I'm interested in, and those aren't the best they've had. My son would be ticked about the RSN, but he doesn't pay the bill so he has no input and I don't watch the rest.

    My local Fox affiliate is not corporate owned and I can get it just fine OTA in any case.

    I may adjust what package I have if this happens, but most likely won't.
  16. Sep 28, 2010 #96 of 2032

    OrangeandBlue33 Mentor

    Dec 15, 2003
    The following is what I posted at Fox's site ( )

    "I am a big sports fan and enjoy the Cardinals on Fox Sports Midwest. I also enjoy the show on FX called Terriers. However, I am opposed to Fox Networks Group holding these channels hostage to Dish Network Customers. Every year our TV watching costs go up and up. Why is that? Much of it has to do with Networks asking for more and more money from TV providers. Last time I checked there were a bunch of commercials running during the programming I was watching on these FOX Channels. Why don't you pass the costs on to those people and not the viewers. If you were a premium channel without commercials, I could understand. But to make Dish Network look like the bad guy here is comical. Stand your ground Dish! - we'll find something else to watch if they want to "take their ball and go home"!"

    I encourage anyone else who is fed up with constant rate hikes and holding channels hostage to do the same.
  17. Sep 28, 2010 #97 of 2032
    Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    This happens from time to times when contracts run out. I'm used to it. If a channel that I like goes dark, I watch something else until a contract is reached. Besides I don't have anywhere to go, U-verse sucks here, Comcast is high.
  18. Sep 28, 2010 #98 of 2032

    ggotch5445 AllStar

    Sep 27, 2009
    I never cease to be amazed at the internet hoopla over these kinds of things.

    Both sides of this debate have way too much to lose if an agreement is not reached. As others have stated, negotiation is good, and a little saber rattling will help keep these cost hikes down somewhat.

    The local Fox affiliate, in my Cleveland market, is a longtime staple station here. If it was to disappear, even on satellite- for a micro-second, Dish AND Fox would both be mud in Cleveland.

    But I am sure that no one really needs to worry about this. There will be a resolution. If I am wrong, I will start wearing a hat so I can eat it!
  19. Sep 28, 2010 #99 of 2032

    Jim5506 Hall Of Fame

    Jun 7, 2004
    Dish will not turn the channels off.

    Fox may pull a Disney and pull some channels.

    I might miss National Geo, but not much.
  20. Sep 28, 2010 #100 of 2032

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008

    About 4.5 years ago Dish lost many local channels for over a year if I remember correctly. Do not understimate Charlie's stubborn side when it comes to retrans disputes.
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