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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.

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  1. mlcarson

    mlcarson Mentor

    Jul 4, 2003
    I can get PBS at 100% here in Las Cruces, NM -- not a blip of a signal on any of the other channels. Large urban areas probably have more of a choice.

  2. TBoneit

    TBoneit Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006
    Interesting, I only look at the new reports when I go there. Most complaints for bot relate to ETF. Dishnetworks big problem seems to that they have many resellers that lie and guess who gets the blame. They need to police their resellers better and both need to explain the ETF better.

    Did you read any of them, Some people are really torqued off.
  3. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    People on internet forums scream loudly about the exodus of subscribers and doom and gloom... and then time passes... and there was no exodus.

    No doubt some have already left Dish over this... but Dish has also added some new customers during this time too!

    Also, Dish loses customers when they add new channels... there really has been no direct correlation as yet between these disputes and mass exodus of subscribers over it.

    When DirecTV lost Vs... there similarly wasn't a major flood of people leaving for Dish... Also, when Dish added a bunch of new HD that DirecTV still doesn't have... no exodus there either.

    It just doesn't happen... and I still maintain that most of Dish's customers haven't really figured out that they have lost any channels yet.
  4. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    They're funny...they can be nuts. :lol:
  5. dakeeney

    dakeeney Legend

    Aug 29, 2004
    :DI don't believe I have heard anything lately about the Disney spat. Disney found out that Dish customers can live without their hd feeds.
  6. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Verified DISH customers or just someone who claims to be one on the internet?

    For all we know, they may all be dogs (although on Facebook, everyone knows if you are a dog).

    I checked Wikipedia ... it said everything on Facebook (and the Internet) is true. :rolleyes:
  7. 356B

    356B Icon

    Oct 11, 2008
    As self defeating as this may sound....most people don't care...... :smoking:they don't care about Fox Sports, or FX and maybe even Nat Geo......they move on, turn the channel, go shopping, read a book....:read:but if you take FOX Network away you will hear a significant outcry from the great unwashed.....:new_cussi that's why in my opinion it will never happen. This is a money game of "Chicken".:imwith:

  8. phrelin

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

    Jan 18, 2007
    While I know that at the bottom your observation is correct, I do have bigger concerns and hope that neither Dish Network and Cablevision blink.

    I know that those upset by the loss of the News Corp sports channels and cable channels don't understand the concerns of the few over the reach of Rupert Murdoch's tightening tentacles on the media, particularly TV.

    But over in Britain concern is growing over his latest move. From The Hollywood Reporter:
    And from The Guardian/Observer web site:
    This is what Americans also should know. Murdoch's media reach leaves us also with politicians "too frightened to challenge him or his executives." Murdoch manipulates political and economic power in the pursuit of his goals better than anyone else in the capitalist world, East and West, today.

    Thus I have no delusions that American politicians - liberal, conservative or moderate - have the courage to take him on. But if two other billionaires, Charles Ergen of Dish Network and Charles Dolan of Cablevision, take him on at the same time, at least some opportunity exists to reign him in.

    Otherwise, I have to be content with the knowledge that he's 79 and likely will die in the next 20 years. At that point, it is likely his empire will slowly lose its clout as others have done in the past.

    Still, in the pursuit of his economic goals, the damage he has done to the arena of American political discourse has already exceeded that of William Randolph Hearst.

    (Incidentally, this has nothing to do with partisanship. Hearst was twice elected as a Democrat to the U.S. House of Representatives. Nor does it have anything to do with Murdoch's Australian origins. Hearst's patrilineal ancestor, John Hurst settled in Plymouth Colony around 1620. These guys are just missing something found in billionaires like Warren Buffett - a semblance of humility.)
  9. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    Chances are DirecTV will lose more customers than DISH ... as the new quarter just began we won't know until February. Losing customers is part of the business.

    The list of things DISH was not supposed to survive is long. Somehow DISH is still around.
  10. inazsully

    inazsully Icon

    Oct 3, 2006
    If you have wondered about your reception capability for OTA channels here's what I did in Phoenix. I bought a $20 rabbit ear style antenna from Wally and plugged that baby into the back of my 722. It worked so well I disconnected the box from my second TV and now only use the antenna for that TV. Hey, if it doesn't work just return the antenna. I also have a roof top antenna connected to the 722 but I was surprised the rabbit ears worked just as well.
  11. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    DirecTV lose more because they have more (more subs) to lose from.
  12. scooper

    scooper Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    Youngsville NC
    Or you can approach it in a much more scientific manner.

    Start here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=45
    and look for your local forum,

    Have your results for your location from here www.tvfool.com

    With these, you can get some advice from local people who can tell you what SHOULD work for your location.
  13. fatpug

    fatpug AllStar

    Apr 11, 2007
    James - Are you a moderator or a DISH employee. I can't tell the difference. :)
  14. paja

    paja Godfather

    Oct 22, 2006
    I was listening off and on throughout the day to sports talk stations in the Chicago area. I heard ads from DirecTV about DISH losing FOX and urging DISH customers to switch before they lose important sports programming.Later Sunday afternoon(after that great Bear victory), I saw a DirecTV truck on my block. I talked to the tech and he told me he was inundated with customers switching from DISH to Direct and that was why he was working on a Sunday afternoon.
  15. DodgerKing

    DodgerKing Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2008

    There is absolutely nothing that would even hint as such. Remember I predicted Dish will have a net loss this quarter that is even greater than last (remember I offered you a bet?)?

    If you mean that Direct will have a larger gross loss, that maybe true, as they have more subs to lose to begin with. But they will have a much smaller gross loss percentage AND will end up with a net gain. Dish WILL have a net loss AND it will be greater than last quarter, IMO.

    As for this current quarter, I predict exactly the same. Dish will have a net loss yet again, and Direct will be one of the few providers growing in total subscribers.

    Conjecturing based on patterns alone, Direct is so far behind on installs due to way too many people wanting to sign up AND they have run out of equipment. Cant be too big of a loss when so many people are signing up.
  16. Joe Diver

    Joe Diver AllStar

    Oct 12, 2006
    I doubt that during this latest Fox debacle this will be true. Just seeing too much install activity locally and too many folks talking about it....and that's only with hockey season starting up. Once basketball gets out of pre-season I'll bet the activity increases 5X....and if they lose NFL broadcasts on Fox locals 11/1...well, I'll bet seeing a Dish subscriber will get to be pretty rare. Now, of course I'm only speaking of my local market, where the Dallas Mavericks and Dallas Cowboys are both hugely popular

    X2. I saw 2 DirecTV trucks in my neighborhood today. I talked to one of them and he said they were slammed with switchers, were having to work over the weekend and even doubling up on area coverage...that's why there was more than one truck in the neighborhood. He didn't know about the other guy, but he had 2 houses to do today while he was here in this neighborhood alone. All of his installs today were new customers replacing Dish.
  17. turbo_oasis

    turbo_oasis Legend

    Jan 4, 2007
    I can tell that scores of my fellow Blues fans have switched or are switching to D*, Charter, and/or AT&T U-Verse. I have been on D* for several years so no effect on me. I find it funny the on the side of the Scottrade Center there is huge Ad for E* and the Blues and yet...Blues fans on E* cant watch the Blues. This has to be worse than D* vs VS last year, and has the potential to drag out longer.
  18. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    That's no excuse. If a company is good they shouldn't be losing customers, should they? Yet every quarter companies lose customers ... and fuel the Internet arguments over why around why so many customers decide to call it quits. Are they just flip-flopping for a better deal? Are they tired of waiting for new HD? Was their favorite channel off for a month? Someone will use "subscriber loss" to say "see, I was right" when in reality it is just a part of the business.

    No moderator here is employed by DISH or DirecTV. It is not permitted by the site admins. I hope that clears up your confusion.
  19. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    See below.
  20. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    That was last quarter ... this dispute would have little if any impact on 3Q. We'll know how well DISH's efforts to keep up were soon enough.

    It is too early to say.
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