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Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.
Well, pretty sure it's NOT official. Braves game for Sunday is still showing for zip code 30064.
Just out of curiousity, I've just added the multi sports pack to see what will Dish say to me when they drop more than half of its content tomorrow and keep charging me the same amount!
I am with Dish in their fight with the various networks to protect the prices. But I'm against holding the same price when these channels are droped.
I see a lot of people that are happy thinking that Dish is protecting them.
In reality they are being ripped off. Is having less content of the programming for the same price something to cheer about?
Only Dish will cheer about this situation, and they will reach the $130 Direct TV is making per customer easily by going with the trends of dropping channels under the name of "price protection"
^ Still showing for my zip code as well. Holding out a kernel of hope...
IS the Fox soccer channel involved???????
If so im gonna be very slighty ticked off !!
Fox vs. Dish: It's Not Their Fault
Normally I pass on what Swanni says, but today's article contains a few common misconceptions that I believe should be corrected.
Today is NOT the last day a deal can be reached. A deal could also be reached tomorrow ... or next week ... or next month ... or (considering it is only three months away) next year. Today IS the last day a deal could be reached without removing channels but too many are looking at this issue as one of "if DISH doesn't sign an agreement they will never have these channels again". That is simply not true.
DISH has, over the years, decided not to continue carrying certain channels. Recent examples include The Smithsonian Channel and Fuse. Those are channels that should be "gone forever" - although forever is a long time and as long as the channels exist there is a chance they will return. But most channel disputes end with a carriage agreement ... not a lose forever situation.
DISH has just over 14 million customers ... unless the average household size is 1 1/7th Mr Swan's estimation of viewers is incredibly low.
DISH never had an agreement to carry those channels. They were forced to drop them when the receivers they were using were disabled by ABC/Disney. There was no new carriage agreement that couldn't be reached. DISH assumed that they had an agreement by piecing together three contracts and carried the channels without an agreement. The ABC/Disney situation is not one of contract expiration.
It sounds interesting but I'm not one that likes further government interference in private business relationships. If this was something important, like food or gas I could see the government getting involved. But this is television. Despite the claims of some, no one is going to die if NatGeo, FX and their local FSN is replaced by a slate tonight.
These are major channels ... a deal will be worked out. We just don't know when. If it isn't by midnight and there is no extension then there will be channels turned off. DISH cannot carry a channel they don't have permission to carry (or at least, they should not). But that's not the end of the story. A deal can be reached at any time.
The "don't know when" is the problem. Dish can just say, "we're working to get it resolved" without giving any details on it, which really doesn't help the customer. Meanwhile, fans sit in the dark. From what I've read, these disputes are RARELY if ever resolved quickly. NBA season starts in one month, so that is all I give a damn about, not the politics of two multi million dollar companies wanting more money.
I'll keep watching it, only now using my HTPC and Hulu...
Answering the question "Why doesn't Dish drop prices if they lose channels?"
Do you give back money to your employer when you don't work as hard one day as the day before?
IF you take a longer lunch or other break so you actually work less than 8 hours that day, do you give your employer credit back for that?
I'm going to assume not...
While it would be honest and nice... nobody ever gives money back when it is an already agreed upon regular fee.
I won't defend Dish for cutting ties and not dropping rates, but I won't chastise them either. I will chastise FOX and Disney and anybody else that wants to raise rates in this economy and is willing to take nothing at all via cancellation rather than accept their current terms.
When I sign up for a listing called "America's top 200" and agree to a price for said package, I expect to get ALL those channels for my entire contract. I also expect that when I speak to a manager for said company I'm about to agree to a contract with, said manager is upfront with me regarding possibly losing service, ESPECIALLY when I made it clear that FS is the #1 channel I watch.
Oh but let me guess what's next, "it says in the contract they can remove channels at any time, and you signed it". Well, that's fine then. Put anything in small print and it makes it OK to bend the customer over.
I expect to get the programming I paid for when I signed up. Unreasonable? Hell no.
Ummm...actually, for those people that are hourly employees, you do give your employer credit back (since they don't pay if you work for a shorter time).
I imagine it is a small amount of money that Dish is paying for these channels, but maybe if Dish took the hit in their pocketbook of giving X dollars back to their customers (due to loss of channels they once had), things would be different. For example, if it was $ .50/month X 14 million subs = $ 7 million hit to Dish. Of course they won't do that (but they should!)
America's Top 200 contains 217 channels plus any RSNs that are local to the customer. One of those 217 channels will be removed at midnight (FX). You're still getting more than 200 channels.
DISH doesn't promise an exact listing of channels. They may do some channel shifting during the dispute (they have done this before). Keep watching for updates.
I'm losing FX and (slightly relevant), the #1 channel I watch, Fox Sports. There is no relevance to "only two channels" when one of them is the channel I watch most. It's not like losing the Home Shopping Network and Lifetime.
These retrans agreement battles happens all the time, happens with cable, as been noted it has happened with E*, and it even happens with D* (VERSUS was off of D* from the end of August 2009 through late winter/early spring 2010).
I highly doubt that your salesperson had any idea what's going on with retrans agreements, which the details are always private between the provider and network and we normally don't hear about retrans agreements until the talks enter the 11th hour.
If an agreement isn't reached tonight by midnight and if FX and the regional FSN's as well as the Fox O&O local affiliates go dark on E*, my money is that they'll be dark for a few days, if that long because as been noted, FX is a major cable network.
Contrary to your belief - it's exactly like that...
You think those two channels being wiped out would have the same negative backlash as losing FX, Fox local, and/or Fox Sports? If so, I have a bridge to sell you.
I've never seen an NFL game on these channels so whom will be disrupted?
I recall the uproar when E* was in a retrans dispute with Lifetime in the mid 2000's and was off the lineup for a few days, that wasn't pretty around here.
FYI MilFan, the home shopping channels will never go away because they pay E* and others to be carried.
Those who have their local Fox affiliates that are owned & operated by the Fox "mothership". Thankfully, there are none in Iowa.
I read earlier that Dish would have alternate programming should we lose these channels as it looks as if we will. Just don't give me crappy Showtime as a way to appease me. I guess it will have to be reuns of Bonanza and Gilligans Island while they duke it out.:lol:
I think he's referring to the local Fox affiliate.
I was more just making a parallel. James Long was acting like all channels are equal if it is one channel. The 19 Fox Sports affiliates affects MILLIONS of sports fans. Between basketball and baseball, you're looking at around 230 games per year there for die hard fans. Now, maybe that means they get a resolution faster, but it still means a lot more people are affected initially.