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Dish Retrans Dispute with Fox over 50% Hike (Closed Thread)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RasputinAXP, Sep 9, 2010.

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  1. MilFan

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    I know I asked this before, but I've seen conflicting "rumors" about it. If Fox and Dish do come to a resolution, it will be an "all or nothing" agreement regarding all the channels, correct? If Fox local gets resolved then Fox Sports will as well?
     
  2. sigma1914

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    We're a looooong way from that. Not everyone has access to HSI or OTA.
     
  3. DodgerKing

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    The local Fox OTA networks are under a different contract than the Fox RSNs. One can be resolved and the other can still be pending.
     
  4. DodgerKing

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    Not as long as you may think
     
  5. MilFan

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    I am going to be one pissed off person in a couple weeks, apparently.

    Never felt more helpless in dealing with a company as a consumer. I have no way to watch my teams in my own home and I have no way to cancel without spending over $400.
     
  6. GrumpyBear

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    Dish Network viewers: [enthusiastically gets out of rest room and heads to chair] The Bucks, huh?
    Over Greedy Fox: [comforts NBA] Well, now see? This is nice.
    Dish Network viewers: The only thing that keeps me alive is watching the Bucks lose! PPPT!
     
  7. James Long

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    At this point DISH's hands are tied. They have overlapping long term agreements with providers based on delivering their signals to millions of households. They can't just say "as of December 31st, 2010, there will be no packages" without violating all of those long term contracts.

    The second problem would be getting the programmers to accept less households, even at a higher price per household. If the net millions is any less than they earn today from retrans they won't go for an a la carte arrangement. It would not make sense.
     
  8. sigma1914

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    I really disagree. HSI needed for internet TV is not available to enough people to make it a viable option.
     
  9. MilFan

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    I could really give a damn if you care about the sport or not. And the Bucks will probably win 50 games this year, not that you know what you're talking about whatsoever, but still.
     
  10. DodgerKing

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    It is growing very quickly and more and more people who do have access are doing this very thing.

    Anyway, my point is that this will eventually be the norm (maybe a couple of years from now or maybe 20 years from now) and both the provider and network will have to adjust to this demand.
     
  11. sigma1914

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    They finished 6th in the East & won 46 games last year. ;)
     
  12. GrumpyBear

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    Biggest problem with HSI, and OTA, will be the real costs. Cable and DSL companies now, already have in place fee's for exceeding xGB in downloads. Moving to HSI for TV will raise your costs in the long run, as it will be based on a GB download limit, which will be disasterous for users in pricing.
    Don't forget the entire reasoning the FCC and members of Congress gave in getting together to block a Dish/Direct merger years ago was the, this would create a unfair monoply to millions of users that have no ability to get access to cable tv. Those same millions still have no access to HSI. HSI and OTA is decades away from being a reality. FCC had to put off the Digital tranistion for almost a decade, it will take even more decades to make a HSI and OTA transition.

    Binding Arbitration sounds much better.
     
  13. RAD

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    Sorry but agree with Sigma1914, ISP's are dragging their feet increasing speeds, especially telco DSL service where are just too limited by the technology. They also want to keep going to a pay for what you use model and streaming video will cause the overages to rack up fairly quickly. Between having to pay for the premium bandwidth packages that would allow for multiple HD streams and the overage charges you might end up paying more then what you pay now for DBS service.
     
  14. GrumpyBear

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    Aunt Pearl would love to watch them lose the rest of the games.

    Granted 46 is what 5 games over .500? Can't remember how loooonnnngggg baskeball is. 82 games?

    NHL showed fans what they thought of them a few years ago, with the no season.

    Oh wait, you mean something can survive with an interruption? You mean people move on after something like an entire season lost? No couldn't really happen at all. Baseball and Hockey are dead sports.
     
  15. MilFan

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    You're obviously not a sports fan nor do you know what you're talking about. Are you really comparing a sport going on strike (so nobody can see it) to one provider not carrying the game so only a section of people can't see it? One is the sport getting interrupted, the other is sports TV getting interrupted. Slight difference.

    Nobody cares if you don't care about sports. This effects a ton of people that have one or two teams they follow religiously. That is the point. The sports fans are not interested in the political BS between two companies, they are interested in watching their teams.
     
  16. sigma1914

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    Baseball? The Yankees/Rangers ALCS is averaging 6.969 million viewers. That's not bad for a dead sport. :rolleyes:
     
  17. James Long

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    So for now we're stuck with the system we have ... fantasies aside (including my own) we have a system where channel providers contract with cable and satellite providers to provide them carriage on their systems (usually with the carrier paying a carriage fee, not the channel paying for carriage). Said providers sign long term contracts that include the level at which the channels will be provided (or in rare cases allow a la carte offerings). Pie in the sky may taste good but we're not in the sky. We're grounded.

    Fox will continue to leverage their content for as much money as they can get to as many households as they can get. DISH will continue to try to keep the costs in check so they can afford to stay in business. Hopefully everything will work out sooner than later.
     
  18. MilFan

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    I think he meant basketball, but even if he did he's wrong.
     
  19. altidude

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    You are exactly right. We're huge Lakers fans here and we'll miss most of the home games until FSW is back. For me, losing Fox L.A. isn't the end of the world. I am fortunate in that I can still record OTA on the 722 (I think) and on a media center PC (for sure). Maybe losing the O&O channels will be the impetus that Fox and Dish need to hammer out an agreement. They just need to get it done.

    I can't financially afford to cancel my Dish agreement so I am locked. Regardless, I think Dish is doing the right thing even if it does cause me pain. I left D* when they lost Versus. There's just no avoiding these conflicts the way things are currently negotiated.
     
  20. MilFan

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    I agree. For me, it's losing 74 of the 82 games with no other physical alternative. NBALP will black out both the local and non-local feeds, same with NBALP Broadband. My only option is to pay $400ish to cancel (just joined) or go to a bar. Not exactly ideal in Wisconsin winter weather conditions. :)
     
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