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Dish Retrans Dispute with MSG over Fuse (Channels Off 10-1-2010)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by bosco10021, Oct 1, 2010.

  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Perhaps you should quote the rest of your post:
    Seems like you misread your own post if you think it had nothing to do with preventing DISH subs from viewing the content.

    BTW: This is the MSG thread.

    The deal the RSN made to get the rights to carry the team gives them rights within their own coverage area. No where else.

    What your suggesting is more along the lines of a local ABC affiliate who cannot agree with DISH (or any carrier you wish to name) being able to keep ABC programming from being delivered to the entire country. That affiliate only has rights to the content in their defined area. The RSN only has rights to the content in their defined area. Outside that area the rights belong to someone else (other ABC affiliate and the league, respectively).

    The RSN maintains leverage where MOST of their viewers actually are ... the local region. Seems fair. They didn't pay the league(s) to control carriage of pro sports outside of their region. They paid the league(s) for their region.
     
  2. Hoosier205

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    :rolleyes: Got it James. If you want to pick a fight, look elsewhere. My post, which I wrote...not you, was not about any desire I have to keep content from Dish subscribers. You apparently did not understand my post. It only consisted of 68 words, but that may have been too complicated. It has been properly explained to you once, once more than should have been necessary I believe. Would this have happened if you were not looking for an opportunity to stir something up? No, probably not.

    No content should be available from any network, to any provider...during a dispute they are involved in with each other. That is what I believe would be fair. That is my opinion. Whether or not you agree with it is of no concern to me. Enjoy the rest of you weekend.
     
  3. James Long

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    There is no dispute between the NHL and DISH. No dispute between other parties should interfere with the agreement that the NHL and DISH have. The NHL retains the right to broadcast their games outside of the RSN's region. They have every right to continue to deliver their games to any provider that they have an agreement with, including DISH. The same would apply to any league and any carrier where such a contract between the league and carrier exists.
     
  4. Stewart Vernon

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    I have to agree with James on this one... Packages like NHL Center Ice and NBA League Pass are intended to bring you out-of market games that you normally wouldn't get to see.

    As long as Dish has a good relationship and permission to sell those packages... then it seems to me it should shake out like this:

    1. Your local games are on your local channel or RSN. IF Dish has a dispute with your RSN, then you would NOT get to see your local team. This is no different than usual.

    2. Out-of-market games, however, should be available to you as part of the package subscription that Dish has permission to carry and the league has the right to distribute... So, you should get the same out-of-market games even if Dish cannot deliver them to those teams' local markets.
     
  5. matt

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    It wasn't dish but years and years ago, I remember a huge uproar when the local cable (TCI Cablevision at the time) dropped TNN, the nashville network. A huge chunk of the subscriber base dropped and there were antennas put up all over town for the competitor (Heartland) that used what looked like a rack out of an oven on top of a 40' pole.
     
  6. RasputinAXP

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    Cablevision's contention with respect to MSG HD has always been the terrestrial loophole. When that got closed up this year they still refused to do anything about it and Dish sued them back in...July, I believe.

    I love the Rangers, but I hate Cablevision and Dolan and everything he's done to destroy my team.
     
  7. Milleruszk

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    Still no movement on the Dish vs MSG front. This is not looking good. Dish has never come to terms with the YES network so I am beginning to think the MSG situation will be handled the same way. :nono2:
     
  8. RasputinAXP

    RasputinAXP Kwisatz Haderach of Cordcuttery

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    If they keep bitching that Dish needs to take Fuse we'll never get it back.
     
  9. Milleruszk

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    Rasputin,

    You are right about Dolan....I can't stand looking at that guy. I would listen to the games on the radio than subscribe to Cablevision.
     
  10. RasputinAXP

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    About the only thing that schmuck's done right is to lower ticket prices this season. I actually considered a half-season package.
     
  11. tommiet

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    What's a Buffalo Sabre?
     
  12. phrelin

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    As a side effect of the Cablevision-Fox dispute with Cablevision calling for arbitration, we have this article:
     
  13. RasputinAXP

    RasputinAXP Kwisatz Haderach of Cordcuttery

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    Wow, I'm SHOCKED.`
     
  14. GrumpyBear

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    This is another article about the entire process and some ideas on how to change things in the future.

    this article
     
  15. RasputinAXP

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    MSG Networks actually attempted to respond to me on Facebook. They posted another blurb about "The New York Rangers headed north to take on the Boston Bruins, but DISH Network no longer carries MSG Networks. Don't miss any of the action -- Find out how to watch NHL here: IWantMSG.com", so...

    Me: Negotiate fairly with Dish and Verizon.
    MSG Networks: We understand your frustration. Have you checked out iwantmsg.com for details on what’s happening & to find a TV provider w/MSG Networks?
    Me: My TV provider isn't the problem. Your negotiation tactics are. Stop trying to ram Fuse down providers' throats, negotiate fairly with both Dish and Verizon, and stop ignoring the Federal Terrestrial Loophole that was closed 8 months ago. Provide MSG-HD as you've been informed you need to. Then you'll get my money again, along with all of the other Dish subscribers.

    *sigh*
     
  16. scooper

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    Way to tell them - shove the truth down their throats.
     
  17. phrelin

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    I've started a thread in the Sports Programming and Events with the post below as a place to discuss how to do something about the situation:
    Rather than respond to this here, go to the Sports Fans Coalition - Your Voice in Washington thread.
     
  18. Milleruszk

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    Has there been any movement on getting this resolved? Are they talking? Going to arbitration? Thanks.
     
  19. James Long

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    :)
     

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