Distant Networks: ORDER OF PERMANENT INJUNCTION - Effective December 1st

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  1. BobS

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    The issue (as I recall) was that someone claimed that only affiliates of the Big Four could ever be subjects of an injunction because they, and only they, were defined as "network stations" because the definition was (supposedly) frozen in 1995 or thereabouts. This is incorrect. If CW/WB/UPN/Pax/MyTV/Joe's Network met the station/hours definition in 17 USC 119 and were abused and decided to go after E* - then the injunction would apply to retransmission of their stations. It makes no difference if a station is defined as a superstation in any other law or any marketing effort. Perhaps we have been talking past each other. Sorry if that's the case.

    I hope so!
     
  2. BobS

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    Perhaps the point of departure is the difference between subscribers who do not reside in unserved households (as in the exception that you quoted) and those who are ineligble to receive distant signals (in the main section). I do not think these groups are the same.
     
  3. joblo

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    <sigh>

    Ummmm….

    Bob, no offense, but do you actually read what I write before dashing off responses??

    Several posts back, right after quoting the exception to which you now refer, and in the same post in which I accurately summarized the definitions you later posted, I wrote (emphasis added):

    So now you say:

    Well, yes! Right!

    By George, I think you’ve got it!

    (I think……)
     
  4. Link

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    Why after the switch from WB to CW, has Dish been using WPIX instead of the Miami CW station on channel 251?
     
  5. joblo

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    Greg,

    Sorry, I missed your response earlier.

    See note 12 on Tony’s chart re carriage of NY/LA vs. Miami/SD stations as CW distants. It appears E* is using different stations in different markets.

    The royalty fee for supers and distants is now the same, 20 cents.

    But for reasons previously stated, I believe the network rate would apply to CW supers, anyway. I’ve found nothing anywhere to suggest that the specially defined 5 (or 6 w/WGN) would necessarily be subject to the superstation rate rather than the network rate, if the rates were in fact different.
     
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    Sun staff reports
    November 29, 2006

    Programming is about to change for local DISH network customers.

    Beginning Dec. 1, DISH subscribers throughout North Tahoe and Truckee will no longer get distant networks.

    “[Customers] are not losing access to local programming, just to distant networks — those channels that originate outside the community where you live,” said Kathie Gonzalez, EchoStar’s DISH Network spokesperson....

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    ( The entire article is at the following source: http://www.sierrasun.com/article/20061129/NEWS/61128015/-1/rss01 )
     
  7. catmom50

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    A couple questions from a senior citizen who is so confused now...

    What do I do, since losing my distant networks last night?

    1. Do I jump over to Direct, or will they eventually be in the same boat?
    2. Do I get the antenae Dish is offering me free of charge?
    3. Wait it out until congress convenes in January and hope for the best??

    Thanks everyone for your time,

    Catmom in the woods of Central Oregon.:confused:
     
  8. James Long

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    1) Check with D* ... depending on where you are you may or may not qualify for distants. There is an address broker on their website.
    2) If you are staying with E* free is free. Check antennaweb.org to see how far you are from your locals. If it is a long way the free antenna may not be enough.
    3) The legislation has just been published - I have not read it yet so it is hard to discuss. (See the legislation thread in a little while for reactions,) Congress is in session next week but I doubt they will do anything. Reintroduced next year the bill may have a chance. I expect it fixes the "local distants" problems more than the long distance distants.
     
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    By Dave Burge / El Paso Times
    Article Launched:11/29/2006 06:59:59 PM MST

    Dish Network subscribers in El Paso will no longer be able to view CBS affiliate Channel 4-KDBC (cable Channel 3) starting Friday....

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    ( The entire article is at the following source: http://www.elpasotimes.com/breakingnews/ci_4742177 )
     
  10. James Long

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    Court filings so far today include the Appeal's Court refusal to stay the permanent injunction issued October 20th.

    E* has also filed a quick response to the NPS complaint by the networks and a notice that a longer reply will be filed tomorrow.
     
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    I'm sure tomorrow a lot of E* customers who have no clue what is going on with distants will be mad when their channels are cut off with no explanation. Most people I talk to have no clue this is about to happen nor have they received a letter or phone call about it.
     
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    CBSHD KCBS is gone from my service. So sad. Darn.
     
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    BobS

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    You must be mistaken. We were told right here that CBSHD was a private contract and had nothing to do with the injunction. You're not saying that the naysayers might have been right?
     
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    boylehome

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    Sorry, not mistaken. It is still gone.
     
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    Under the agreement, which is similar to deals that EchoStar has with other programming vendors, NPS would lease a transponder for $150,000 per month. In exchange, the company would be able to sell its distant signal programming to disenfranchised DISH customers that fit the so-called "white area" criteria.

    The deal could prove a windfall for NPS which currently has 57,000 C-Band subscribers (an enormously successful C-Band service by today's standards). In order to receive the distant net signals, customers would have to sign up with NPS either through the company's website (http://www.mydistantnetworks.com/) or by phone (800.786.9677). Costs for the signals will range from $2.50/month for one signal to $9/month for all four signals.

    Potential customers would need to meet qualification criteria for the service and NPS will handle all customer service operations. Once qualified, a DISH customer would receive the distant networks seamlessly through their DISH equipment.

    Late Thursday both the broadcasters and DIRECTV had publicly objected to the NPS scheme, claiming it would violate the injunction against DISH providing distant network services. At press time, an emergency request was pending before Judge William Dimitrouleas, who issued the original injunction.
     
  17. Dec 1, 2006 #557 of 658
    darthxenu

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    I have emailed the NAB letting them know that I feel it is unfair that they are only targeting EchoStar and that people should be able to get network channels from any location they choose regardless of where they live. I think anyone unhappy with losing distant networks should contact the NAB.
     
  18. Dec 1, 2006 #558 of 658
    zmark

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    The NAB doesn't care what you think. They only want to count you as served to determine advertising rates. They couldn't care less if you actually watch or not.
     
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    Darkman

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    By Ted Hearn
    12/1/2006 3:10:00 PM

    EchoStar Communications said Friday that it would terminate the delivery of distant ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox signals to 900,000 customers by day's end.

    But the broadcasters, angered by the direct-broadcast satellite service’s actions, have gone to court accusing EchoStar of crafting a business deal designed to circumvent the court-ordered shutoff.

    "Everyone will be turned off today if they haven't been already. We are meeting the deadline," EchoStar director of corporate communications Kathie Gonzalez said Friday.

    But two days earlier, EchoStar announced it would lease a satellite transponder to National Programming Service, an Indianapolis-based provider of satellite programming to eight- and 10-foot C-band dish owners for more than 20 years.

    NPS said it would begin marketing a package that includes ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox signals to EchoStar customers.


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    ( The entire article is at the following source: http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6396540.html )
     
  20. Dec 2, 2006 #560 of 658
    tnsprin

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    Apparently there was a surprise Special DNS Charlie Chat. Anyone here have a recap?
     
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