Distant Networks: STELA reauth, DNS and LiL

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  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    That is where one has to consider how the side deal cuts in to the affiliation agreement. The major networks being forced to allow their signals to be carried under the terms of the law isn't the network choosing to reduce the exclusive value of the agreement. Creating a national "Network TV" channel and offering it via cable and satellite is certainly legal - but it would also be a violation of their affiliation contracts that promise in market exclusivity for the content. I would be very surprised if any of the big networks would create such a channel (or willing allow AT&T|DIRECTV to create a channel by rebroadcasting a network station nationwide). Getting all the big networks to agree is insurmountable.

    The networks spent a lot of time and money trying to get distants shut down completely. The compromise was to allow distants IF all markets were offered their own locals. I don't see the networks making a side deal unless there is a ton of money involved.
     
  2. GordonGekko

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    Clearly you and the others who have responded know more about this issue than I do, in your opinion is there any financial incentive for Directv to offer more (or a ton of) money to the networks and or the affiliates or is the demand for these national feeds too low to make it worthwhile?
     
  3. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    The age old battle is for the carrier (AT&T|DIRECTV) to pay as little as they can for content while the channel (major network in this case) charges as much as they can. The current fee is set by statutory rate. The copyright office sets the fee, collects the fee then anyone who feels that they need compensation for the rebroadcast of their material (not just the stations) can file a claim with the copyright office for compensation. For local into local and other cable/satellite channels the retransmission fees are set by negotiation between the carrier and channel. The channel pays the content owners a negotiated fee for use of their content.

    I do not see a negotiated rate being lower than the statutory rate - so it would not be an issue where AT&T|DIRECTV would save money by working around the law. There would need to be some other benefit, such as losing the requirement to deliver locals to all markets or gaining the ability to deliver channels to more customers than the new distants law allows. The bean counters at AT&T|DIRECTV would need to find a way to either spend less money on channels (not carrying the 12 markets and perhaps dropping other markets from satellite) or make more money from customers (charging for a service people are willing to pay extra for or retaining high value customers who would leave if they lost distants).

    Meanwhile the networks want more money than the statutory rate but need to honor their agreements with their affiliates. The networks have made it very clear that they support the network to affiliate distribution model. Throw enough money their way and perhaps they will reconsider the model - but I don't believe AT&T|DIRECTV has enough money.

    So at the end of the day (in my opinion) the math doesn't work out for a side deal. The statutory license is the best deal and the benefit of being able to deliver short market network channels and RV/commercial channels is worth the cost of adding the 12 remaining markets and maintaining carriage of the rest of the markets. If AT&T|DIRECTV can find a better way for the company, good luck.
     
  4. Michael H..

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    Memory lane for those who have experienced the evolution of DNS from DBS launch and now facing extinction on 06/01/2020:

    DNS SD Ku-band: Channels: 80-89 / ABCE ABCW CBSE CBSW NBCE NBCW (Affiliates from across the country, not just NYC LA) (1)HBO (1)SHO (1)ESPN A couple of the Superstations
    DNS HD Ku-band: Channels: 90-99 (Same as above in HD with H10 receiver)
    DNS SD Ka-band: Channels: 389-399 / ABCE ABCW CBSE CBSW NBCE NBCW FOXE FOXW (Affiliates NYC LA) + CWE CWW (Affiliates DC LA) + PBS (National feed) (Leased Rx / H2x)
    DNS HD Ka-band: Channels: 389-399 (Same as above in HD excluding SD CWE CWW PBS) (What I currently receive)
    DNS SD Ka-band: Channels: 9530-9534 / ABCE CBSE NBCE FOXE CWE (Airline programming that I have also received the past half-year or so)

    The first two Ku-band double-digit station era was serviced by Pegasus. (edit: referring just to my service).
    After that, DTV acquired the Pegasus accounts.
    I'm still on the DTV ledger and haven't been transitioned over to ATT.
    I'm in one of those rare DMA markets not served by ANY local affiliates, with no LIL, no cable, no OTA with the exception of minimal OTA atop a 60' tower (which I don't have).
    I only pick up (3) low-power non-affiliate local stations... the ones where the local gas station mechanic serves as the VP of operations, head of programming, primary news anchor, and selfie camera-person.
    The DNS Channels: 9530-9534 showed up in my guide in the past year, identified as the airline in-air stations, are SD, which looks fine on a 7" seat-back screen, but looks like garbage on my home sets.
    I don't know if the airlines directly acquire these signals, or if these are rebroadcasts of the signals onto the Ka-band DNS transmission to home.
    I haven't seen anyone mention these channels, and whether anyone else receives them.
    Do those of you that receive at least DNS E feeds get these?
    I surmised that they were segregated to allow for continuation on airliners after 06/01/2020 DNS post-apocalypse events, so D. J. Drumpf will still be able to watch FOXE onboard AFONE.
     

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  5. 242424

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    I assume short market means markets don't get all the networks? Do the crappy sub channels count? I'm afraid I don't want to hear the answer lol
     
  6. James Long

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    Correct on all points. If the network has sold an affiliation contract to a station in your market the station owns you (and you won't be able to get distants after May 31st). In the rare cases where a network is missing the market is "short".
     
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  7. jep8821

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    I am sorry if this was asked and answered already, how will this affect significantly viewed? Is directv allowed to still offer those? If so, I wonder if directv would expand the use of those.
     
  8. Michael H..

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    Was emailed this today:

    DTV DNS
     
  9. 242424

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    Me too.
     
  10. cpalmer2k

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    Were you guys grandfathered? Haven’t gotten anything, but I’m on an RV waiver.
     
  11. Michael H..

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    Yes. Grandfathered. Still in an area with no LIL and no OTA. If ATT had provided LIL into these last dozen unserved DMA's, because of the sheer size of my DMA, I would have still been outside of the beams and not had LIL.

    The RV accounts are not subject to this action.
    The "H" in SHREVA (though there isn't one in STELA) stands for "Home".
     
  12. James Long

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    Significantly viewed were originally included in the "distants" part of the law but were moved to the "local-into-local" part of the law several years ago. They are not considered distant stations and will not be affected by this change.
     
  13. James Long

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    Screen cap in case the link expires -
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    A $20 credit for two years is nice.

    You mentioned you are grandfathered - do you have locals for the major networks in your market or are you in a short market?
     
  14. GordonGekko

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    Just so everyone knows, the email states that you will receive a $20 credit per month for 24 months for this inconvenience, if anyone has a problem receiving this credit, please post the resolution here, thanks, and good luck.
     
  15. GordonGekko

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    Can you explain what "significantly viewed" is? And if you originally received access to the L.A. NBC for example because your house (on East Coast) was located more than 50 miles from your local NBC affiliate (could not pull in signal with antenna), what was that subscriber called, what was the definition of those households?
     
  16. James Long

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    Significantly viewed began as a way for stations to gain carriage on cable systems. Stations were declared "significantly viewed" based on over the air reception in a defined county or city. A station that met the "significantly viewed" threshold could gain carriage from a cable company even if the station was outside of the designated market area. For example, the South Bend stations are considered "significantly viewed" in neighboring LaPorte County even though LaPorte County is in the Chicago DMA. WGN Chicago (broadcast channel) was considered "significantly viewed" in South Bend.

    Congress took the "significantly viewed" station list and applied it to satellite. Satellite companies were permitted (but not required) to carry "significantly viewed" stations outside of their DMA. This provided another method for filling in markets that were short simply because of the DMA lines. For example, Lafayette Indiana had several Indianapolis stations that were considered "significantly viewed" which could be added. This also allowed out of market affiliates to compete with in market affiliates in the areas where the out of market affiliate was significantly viewed.

    Since carriage is optional, the actual use of significantly viewed has been minor. Instead of providing every channel that one would normally get with an over the air antenna it simply became another way for the satellite company to add a neighboring market signal when they needed one.

    The definition was "unserved" but that method of qualifying for distants has been gone for more than a decade. Congress changed the law to state that if a local channel was carried within a market a distant would not be available within the same market - regardless of OTA footprint. Customers who had the distant before the change in the law were able to keep the distant - but that is one of the grandfathered classes being removed.

    A positive change in the law was allowing distants in areas where an out of market station had OTA coverage. The OTA coverage definition was changed to end at the market line. Before the change customers were required to be outside of the footprint of all affiliates, or obtain the permission of all affiliates that covered their city. After the change only in market affiliates had to be considered.
     
  17. 242424

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    I guess I was grandfathered too and now I'll have no way to get NBC which is important to me for nascar races. I won't have ABC or FOX in HD either. Right now it looks like YoutubeTV is my only option. Ugh.
     
  18. I WANT MORE

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    Wonder if they will turn off the 390's and put NY and LA on spot beams.
     
  19. TheRatPatrol

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    Probably not as they need those for RV’ers and truckers.
     
  20. James Long

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    If DIRECTV does not cover the remaining markets by June 1st they will not need those feeds.
    Failure to offer local-into-local in every market ends their ability to deliver distants.
    (Unless AT&T|DIRECTV can work out something outside of the law.)
     

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