Distant Networks: STELA reauth, DNS and LiL

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  1. May 6, 2020 #281 of 636
    Gary Toma

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    The Local WNBC signal in New York **is** the same signal that the rest (well, half) of the country can see as DNS channel 392. The National feed **is** the Local feed.

    For New York and Los Angeles, there are no 'local' beams for their stations, they simply receive the National beams which are just displayed with a local channel number by their receivers.
     
  2. May 6, 2020 #282 of 636
    Gary Toma

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    In the data we collect, channels 9530 - 9534 are all clearly identified as MPEG2/SD.

    Not sure why your setup indicates they are 720P; I need to go check my own setup :)
     
  3. May 6, 2020 #283 of 636
    FussyBob

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    I won’t get the NY channels when my DNS goes away. I will get the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, PA network channels. I also have cable (70+ channels for $20) as there are many more very local high school sports channels that DTV will never carry. This cable feed also has the SWB network HD channels which are very good HD quality. I will be able to compare the cable to DTV channel quality when I switch.

    I already got the DNS email.
     
  4. May 7, 2020 #284 of 636
    Michael H..

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    Not 720p.
    At home on the HR54, all of the DTV signals are compressed, but the 9530-9534 input are SD, displayed at HD.
    I put both DNS and Airline Core channels WCBS up on the set equal size, side-by-side (rather than a smaller image in a corner) PIP for comparison.
    DNS is displayed in HD at 16:9.
    Airline Core is displayed in letterbox in SD... and doesn't look nearly as bad displayed in only the right half of the screen, as it does in full screen, but noticeably worse than the DNS display. (and to me unwatchable).
    Unlike Dish, there is no in-motion DirecTV HD antenna system... within a reasonable budget.
    Intellian makes a radome-housed in-motion HD antenna system that will simultaneously track one Ku and two Ka DirecTV HD signals (101° / 99° & 103°) that lists for $12.5K, and even makes one that simultaneously tracks ANY single Ku / dual Ka broadcast globally, that lists for $25K. The in-motion DTV antennas on airplanes, are the $3K flat phased arrays that receive only Mpeg2 SD signals.
    The Intellian in-motion DTV HD antennas are relatively common on boats that cost about the same as a downtown office hi-rise, for which $25K is about the cost to fill the tank, and don't fly 500 MPH.
     
  5. May 7, 2020 #285 of 636
    James Long

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  6. May 7, 2020 #286 of 636
    hsedsie

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    Will NY channels 2,4,5 and 7 be transferred to spot beams?
     
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  7. May 7, 2020 #287 of 636
    John Candler

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    Monday of this week - I received an email - direct tv is discontinuing DNS as of 05-31-20
    I've had this over 10 years in my RV - options are not good
     
  8. May 7, 2020 #288 of 636
    DirectMan

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    That is a really good question. I was thinking no way but then wondered whether it would happen. I would say no way because having the NY and LA network stations on the national transponders rather than the spotbeams provides D* with the ability to provide network access to airplanes when they offer D*. It gives D* the ability to provide network access in the case of a station temporarily going down in a market. And what advantage would it provide D* - they are not constrained with transponder capacity on the national feeds. But who knows with ATT running things logic doesn't always drive their thinking.
     
  9. May 7, 2020 #289 of 636
    James Long

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    No reason to move them to spotbeams - no reason to leave the HD ones on ConUS. They will work in their local markets either way.
    If aircraft sevice continues separate from DNS the SD ones will need to stay on 101.

    If the HD are left on ConUS I expect a slight increase in the population of DIRECTV subscribers in the NYC market, possibly in the LA market. But only a slight increase. Preventing people far outside of those markets from receiving locals would be a reason to move the channels to spotbeams. But I doubt DIRECTV is motivated to make any change.
     
  10. May 7, 2020 #290 of 636
    GordonGekko

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    What do you mean by your second paragraph, if DNS is taken away, how would people outside of the NYC market get the NY locals?
     
  11. May 7, 2020 #291 of 636
    James Long

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    Lying has worked in the past. I don't encourage it, but I know it has been done.
     
  12. May 9, 2020 #292 of 636
    GordonGekko

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    This article might be more of the same: https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/gray-tv-presses-at-t-to-scrap-blanket-license-delay-effort

    What does this part of the article mean: But AT&T has instead been negotiating individually for continued importing of those distant network TV station signals, and at the same time seeking an extension of that May 31 blanket license sunset.

    The first part, how can ATT negotiate individually to continue offering the DNS, I thought the Congressional bill was clear and did not allow for such negotiations.
     
  13. May 9, 2020 #293 of 636
    slice1900

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    The bill merely fails to renew an exemption to copyright law that previously existed that allowed Directv & Dish to distribute distant signals for certain customers without any contract at a price mandated by the government.

    They have always been free to negotiate with the networks to distribute distant signals to customers where the law & existing contracts allow. It didn't make sense be Which in this case would be "mobile" accounts that don't have a fixed service address and thus aren't considered to be in any one DMA, such as RVs.

    Gray can squawk all they want, but they have no say whether Directv negotiates such a license with CBS, ABC etc. Gray would not be a party to that contract and cannot do anything to stop it. I don't even really know why Gray cares, whatever happens Directv is not going to be able to distribute distant signals in those 12 missing markets, and I doubt Gray is that hungry for its small slice of revenue from those 11,000 customers. Gray probably only has a handful of channels total in those markets. They would only realize a few thousand dollars a month in additional revenue if Directv added those markets.
     
  14. James Long

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    Gray is an affiliate of the networks. Depending on what city, their stations each station is an affiliate of one or more network (in my market, Gray has the NBC affiliation). As an affiliate of each network they expect the network to follow the contract that they signed with the network. Distributing network content via a satellite channel at the same time (or earlier) as their local affillate would most certainly be a breach of contract. The first air exclusivity is the core of the affiliation agreement and that exclusivity has been there for decades.

    Gray and all other affiliates would need to approve each network's attempt to break that first air exclusivity. If DIRECTV negotiated a contract that covered RVs and commercial vehicles, those vehicles ARE located within television markets and most television markets have an affiliate of each network.

    As stated before, the DNS laws allow the networks a way out of that conflict. Since they are not willingly allowing retransmission is not the network's choice that the affiliation agreement is being broken. This also applies to non-O&O affiliates who have their signals retransmited outside of their contracted footprint. And to syndicated (non-network owned) material that may air on the affiliates being aired outside of their contracted footprint. DNS is a gift to the networks. They are absolved of the conflicts while their content still reaches the unreachable subscribers.

    Sure, NBC could negotiate for carriage of WNBC nationwide via DIRECTV. But they cannot do it in a vacuum. Every contract in place that controls the distribution of the content on WNBC comes into play. Including the contract Gray Television has with NBC Universal. The same applies to the other major networks and their stations and affiliates.
     
  15. slice1900

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    No they are not, they don't have a fixed address. None of the contracts with affiliates make provisions to pay different amounts depending on how many RVs or trucks are in a DMA on a given day. If the affiliate suffers no loss from a contract between a network and Directv, they have no legal standing on which to interfere.
     
  16. James Long

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    You know FULL WELL that affiliates nor networks are compensated based on daily DNS subscribers present in a market. The satellite carriers pay in to a fund based on the number of distant subscribers they have and the copyright owners (not specifically stations or network) make claims from the fund. That is the beauty of DNS for the networks - they don't have to decide where a mobile DNS viewer is on a day by day basis.

    The loss would come if the networks did get directly involved in allowing distants - in breach of their contracts with their affiliates.

    It is a moot point since none of the networks seem to be interested in breaching their contracts and would rather support the affiliation model - local affiliates in every market paying the network for rights for their market. If they "work something out" it will be something that will satisfy their affiliates.
     
  17. rodnig1

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    Been a DTV customer since 96. Ive had the Networks with East and West coast feeds since not long after i became a subscriber. When DTV went to locals, i was able to get waivers from all my local stations because we are in a very small market and terrible OTA signals. Ive stayed with DTV all these years because i was grandfathered into the networks. Since all this is happening, i may just cancel and go a different route for my TV.
     
  18. Michael H..

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    I've pretty much kept DTV all these years because of DNS. Since that is going to end, I'm almost certain that I'll be cancelling DTV as well...
     
  19. 242424

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    If anyone is planning on "moving" I suggest you do it while Covid19 is around or they will want to send a tech. Also it takes about four hours on chat so be patient even though it's tough to do. lol
     
  20. MikeP

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    Same, been with them for 25 years. As soon as my DNS is officially removed, I'm out. AT&T has ruined this once great service.
     

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