Distant Networks: STELA reauth, DNS and LiL

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by slice1900, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. forecheck

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    Not knowing what is in Fox's new agreement, but it wouldn't surprise me if the RV Fox on 398 and 399 are going to be different than the LA and NY versions, either slightly by just replacing some local commercials with national ones, or something larger like replacing local programming with infomercials. They would then put the NY and LA versions on spot beams and local viewers would have to watch that version. For us old timers, I am imagining it could look like the old Fox Net in the early days of PrimeTime 24.
     
  2. 242424

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    Some of the "movers" are in DMA's that don't have locals. 12 DMA's I think?
     
  3. James Long

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    I would not be surprised. Fox may not have the rights to create a national channel with all the content that normally airs on the current distant networks. Anything that Fox does not have the rights to deliver nationally will need to be deleted.

    (The benefit of relying on the DNS legislation is all the rights issues are overridden by the law. An agreement outside of the law needs to consider what rights the channel has to offer the programming.)
     
  4. krel

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    won't work. i tried getting my genie and mini replaced at the same time and it came back as an incomplete install holding the rep hostage with no choice other than to send a tech out.. they will send you 5 text msgs asking questions if you have or have been around someone with covid. and if you say yes to any. at that point you'll need to reschedule your appt
     
  5. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    They didn't have to move, they were and still are until next Monday getting DNS channels because the law allowed it.
     
  6. cpalmer2k

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    Just throwing another theory out there.. right now WABC and the DC CW are the only stations moved to spot beams. Maybe they’re close to a deal with ABC but possibly are going to give west coast ABC to the DNS people to discourage “moving”? Dish only offers west coast DNS so maybe they got the idea from them?
     
  7. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    There was a time (many years ago) where people would move to specific addresses where DNS was available, but as the distants legislation changed living at those addresses only worked for grandfathered subscribers (and will stop working on Monday). "Moving" to a market with locals means you get that market's locals - or not if DIRECTV does not carry the local channels. For the past decade "moving" has been used to receive neighboring market's signals (if within a spot beam) or NY/LA signals (since they are on ConUS).

    DISH does not offer west coast distants or east coast distants. They offer their choice of a distant network to fill in short markets. Generally it is a close distant - one that can be received from the spotbeam where the distant is a local. DISH transmits groups of all four networks from several markets that could be used as distants - but does not market a distants package directly.

    The movement of channels to spotbeams will discourage people from "moving". We are probably seeing the beginning of such moves. What we have seen moved are the "only channels moved so far". If we don't see the west coast channels move I expect that the channels are staying ConUS for internal use. There is no rush, no deadline and no requirement to move all locals to spotbeams.
     
  8. cpalmer2k

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    They don't publicize it, you have to ask for the forms but they will give them to you. I contacted them again about a month ago when DirecTV first started sending out the notices. I still have an inactive Outdoors account. I was told if I sent the RV forms in they would be processed. The channels are on the 119 bird. KABC, KCBS, KNBC and whatever the LA Fox is.
     
  9. James Long

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    Thanks. There are uplinks for the NY stations on 119 and 72.7. Denver and Chicago channels are also uplinked. (All on DISH.) Not sure why they don't openly advertise ... maybe they will next month.
     
  10. JoeTheDragon

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    WGN? Back when they sports did dish enforce blackouts?
     
  11. James Long

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    Back when WGN (and WTBS) were true superstations they were carried under a statutory license similar to DNS.
    All channel content could be carried and copyright holders would have to make a claim with the copyright office for compensation.

    WGN created WGN America and WTBS created TBS as channels separate from their OTA broadcasts and cable and satellite started carrying those feeds in place of the true superstations. WGN and TBS could negotiate their own carriage rates but had to remove content that they did not have the rights to air nationally. That is what I expect will happen with the Fox feed on DIRECTV. While Fox can negotiate a better rate than the stautory distants rate they will either need to secure national rights for everything on the channel or create a separate feed for DIRECTV to use as a "distant".

    And by everything I mean everything. There may be production libraries that they have licensed for use on their stations that are not licensed for national use. There may be news and sports clipping services that they have licensed for use on their stations that are not licensed for national use. It being Fox they probably are using libraries and services with national licensing - but it is a legal issue that they need to take in to account when THEY give DIRECTV to rebroadcast the signal instead of relying on DNS laws.

    DNS ends Sunday Night on DIRECTV ... on Monday we will see what survives.

    (BTW: The Denver and Chicago stations mentioned above would be the major networks that could be carried as DNS, not WGN.)
     
  12. JoeTheDragon

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    So NFL ticket on mobile accounts will have no blackouts then?
     
  13. James Long

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    NFL Sunday Ticket is not carried under the DNS laws. It is carried under a separate contract with the NFL.

    Any games carried on a station delivered via the DNS laws should not be subject to blackout. I assume games delivered via the new Fox service for DIRECTV will not be blacked out, however since the DNS replacement deal was done outside of the DNS laws the blackout rules may apply.
     
  14. Scoob8888

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    When DNS goes away Monday do I have to contact Directv to get my local channels activated. My current package is listed as Premier with no locals.
     
  15. slice1900

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    Are locals available where you live? There are 12 small markets where Directv does not have locals, so when people there lose their DNS they will not get locals unless they have an antenna.
     
  16. inkahauts

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    I’m guessing yes since you specifically have a line of them being not on your bill. Are you getting a discount on the package because you don’t get locals?
     
  17. Scoob8888

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    Yes the locals are available here in Western Mass. As to the discount never got one specifically but doing the CSR roulette i have usually gotten the $60 off per month for a year and some smaller ones off the Premier package though not in the last 5 years or so. Thanks for your quick responses !
     
  18. bjlc

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    what is interesting is that we have gotten NOTHING from Directv about my distant networks. NOTHING at all..
     
  19. GordonGekko

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    Surprised, people I know, with grandfathered accounts got the letter, I checked the guide after June 1st and the distants are not greyed out, of course that probably does not mean anything, we'll find out on Monday, I'm sure if we call in for the $20 per month credit for 24 months, some of us will get a line about how "I never heard of that credit".
     
  20. cpalmer2k

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    One interesting observation from the DirecTV app.. If I scroll forward to Monday the DC CW station isn't listed in the guide any more at all. The East/West ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX are still there, but just the west coast CW station.
     

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