Distant Networks: STELA reauth, DNS and LiL

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  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    The app often seems to be ahead of the receiver with channel adds - why not with a channel deletion?
     
  2. jeret

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    I don't know. I'm gonna miss the dns channels. So for posterity sake, I took pictures of the dns channels in the guide at 6:00 and 9:00 pm PDT while the info is a nice bright white, before they go dull gray on Monday. This is Saturday and I will probably do it again Sunday, the last day. Bye Bye DNS
     
  3. GordonGekko

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    Even though the 5 tuner DVR reduced its advantages, I will miss the extra NFL games, the nutty live California police car chases, the post game sports report on L.A. sports, and the once in a blue moon watching of local L.A. news for the heck of it.

    One less thing that ties me to Directv, it was a cool thing that separated Directv from cable, I'll flick on 391 or 393 right now to see the Los Angeles coverage of the protests, any big L.A. story, most recent one was the tragic death of Kobe Bryant, it was nice to have the local perspective and extra coverage, sad to see that gone.
     
  4. inkahauts

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    Eh that’s all still there for you for free. Just use their apps or web pages and cast or airplay it to your tv.

    I have alerts for the local channel apps so I get notifications when ever we have a car chase and any one of the 5/6 stations get overhead of it.

    Heck most our car chases are just on streaming anymore anyway. Really other than sports the only thing I like watching live... car chases here get crazy sometimes!
     
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  5. GordonGekko

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    I hear you, it is just that I only like watching TV through the Genie DVR, I'll actually watch the replay of a car chase on Youtube, that is cool but I'll miss hitting record on all of those NFL games, even though I might only watch the 4th quarter or a few highlights, it was my way of keeping up with the league as a whole.

    I know I could just sign up for NFL ticket but it was the whole idea of getting those extra games for peanuts.

    Crazy, about an hour ago on 393, they were looting a Flight Club shoe store, it was like some sort of futuristic "Running Man" movie, the looters would run down the street with boxes of shoes but as they tried to get to the end of the street, they had to dodge Hulk like guys who were kicking the boxes out of their hands, tossing the boxes into waiting cars. L.A. helicopter news coverage blows away CNN/MSNBC/Fox News of these protests, I'd rather watch the birds eye view than a dopey reporter of any political affiliation snort through a mask, breathlessly repeating the same things over and over again.
     
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  6. inkahauts

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    What’s sad is that they aren’t showing the peaceful protests, just the idiots...
     
  7. James Long

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    The peaceful protests don't stay peaceful long enough. Watch the early newscasts and you are more likely to see people shouting and parading with signs while the police stand back and take the abuse. 800k police officers in the US and their "idiots" seem to get the most attention. The protests in my area didn't get violent and WERE covered on the local news. (That being said, the protests are better of discussed elsewhere.)

    Television coverage of police chases ... why? Are the stations informing the public or providing a sadistic form of "entertainment"?
    "We interrupt our regular programming to show you traffic flowing normally on the 405 and the 101. No accidents, no major problems."
    "Look Bob, that trucker slowed down to leave more space between his vehicle and the small car in front of him. And watch as that motorcyclist waits behind traffic instead of riding the lane divider at a high rate of speed."
    "We are going to stay with this live shot for the next few hours as the good driving continues."
    And that is the news.

    As far as distants - the intent was to provide major network programming to people who could not receive it any other way. Grandfathering continued to deliver the content regardless of the ability to receive it via local channels. While there were positive side effects (out of market sports and news) that was not why the service was created.

    I like the concept of a statutory license - have a set rate to cover the copyright fees and let all copyright holders benefit from rebroadcasts. I would like to see statutory licensing extended to local into local coverage. No more issues with local stations withholding their signals from rebroadcast or smaller stations forced to choose a no payment option to get their content rebroadcast. But the end of distants is basically the end of the discussion on improvements. Every improvement in local into local carriage was triggered by the every five year review needed for distants - and there is no set date to review the remaining laws.
     
  8. FussyBob

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    So when does DTV actually pull the plug on the DNS grandfathered subscribers?
    Will we automatically have the locals added to our current package?
     
  9. James Long

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    No official word, but permission to deliver distants ends today. Whether the plug is pulled at midnight Eastern or Pacific or some random time is unknown.

    I do not expect locals to be automatically added - but that is just my expectation. There is a group of grandfathered subscribers who were allowed to keep distants until they added locals (they had distants before their local market was added and the law at the time gave them the choice). They may get locals since they were not legally allowed to have both.

    Since AT&T|DIRECTV has not announced their plans we are all it a "wait and see" mode.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    Actually the news is very good about telling us where the case is and seems to be headed and telling people to stay away from it.
     
  11. GordonGekko

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    Not to divert the topic of the thread, yes police chases are a low form of entertainment, guilty as charged but there is one public service, helps people stay the heck away as police chases are highly dangerous to the public, I'm of the opinion that unless the suspect is a violent criminal, the chases should not happen.
     
  12. James Long

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    I have seen TVs in cars while in Chicago (illegal, if I understand correctly, as the driver could see the screen). Otherwise I don't see how TV coverage keeps people away from a chase.

    I have seen coverage of volunteers cleaning up after last night's protests. Not on a distant since I don't qualify, but TV can show the good.
     
  13. GordonGekko

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    I don't want to be a snarky clown but come on man, smartphones, Twitter, even before social media I could call a friend and deliver a warning but now come on, once a car chase breaks it is all over Twitter in minutes. Not to mention you are alerting newscasters on the radio which then warn their listeners.
     
  14. James Long

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    Exactly ... many methods exist now to alert people. Not that the TV in the car crowd should be joined by the twitter in the car crowd or cell phone in the car crowd. I find the overhead signs giving traffic alerts to be valuable (since I don't listen to local radio or TV in a car). I do not believe that TV is the only source of information for the radio broadcasters and other "media". National delivery of live car chase coverage is certainly not needed "to inform the public".
     
  15. GordonGekko

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    "Not needed", that could be written about almost anything, they are covering it because it gets ratings, same thing with the protests, more violence, higher ratings, there is a corollary benefit to both though, more people watching, more chance someone will get the word to stay away from that intersection or highway, your beliefs about it aside, that is an objective fact. Also things on Twitter with video seem to have a higher chance of going viral, subjective opinion on that sentence.

    TV is just another way in which a story can be amplified, often differing media sources feed off of each other, again, more viewers gives a story a better chance of more tweets, the media's motivation is a whole different story.
     
  16. James Long

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    So you are saying you NEED a distant network feed of LA stations so you can ... 1) alert the other media in LA or 2) call your friends in LA? I am glad that you mentioned that the stations do it to get ratings - because that is the objective truth. If it "informs the public" that is a side effect.

    BTW: Something isn't an "objective fact" just because you believe it. You need more than antidotal evidence that some person tweeted or called some one in a car based on what they saw on TV and that was their only alert. Did any such "warning" make a difference where a person left the affected highway and the root source was TV coverage?
     
  17. GordonGekko

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    Why do you have to reduce the argument down to the personal, if it affects you or I, that is not relevant to the discussion (I already wrote that I watch for the entertainment value), the objective fact is that the more people that watch a news event, the greater chance/odds/probability whatever word you want to use, that information will be spread by other means, is it a guarantee, no, we are talking about statistics/probability etc., if you have a 1 in 500 chance of winning a raffle and there are 500 people playing, no guarantee somebody will win, if you are running for President, do you want more or less people watching your rallies on TV than your rival, does it mean you will win, nope. Or does it guarantee more people (that were not watching) will hear about your rally and your central points, no but it gives you a greater chance of exponential spread.

    All I can control is myself, I want to know the places to avoid and I don't care that the media makes money off it, perhaps their coverage causes more people to show up to the looting areas, that's on those idiots, if you can't recognize more people equals a greater chance, I don't know what else to write, seems fundamental.

    And again, "need", did I ever write that anything in this thread was needed, obviously the police chase coverage only informs those who live in the area, should I write that gravity is the reason the apple falls from the tree.

    And bringing up the word need, one entity that needs something is the media, they need ratings or they can't turn the lights on and pay their employees, good journalism, classic journalism makes money and informs the public, side effect or not I hope some form of good journalism will never leave this planet, otherwise we are in danger of losing many of the gains civilization has acquired over the centuries.
     
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  18. James Long

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    You took a swipe at me by referring to what I said as "your beliefs" and what you said as "objective fact". You don't own the facts.
    I thank you for sharing your opinions. (I'll leave the rest of your rant to the side.)

    Distant Subscribers: Please let us know what happens when the distant networks expire.
     
  19. blazera

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    Channels 390-9, 394-9, and 399-9 were created early Sunday evening, each showing this slide.
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  20. Visman

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    I was watching the LA Protest on NBC LA 393 and at 7:00 pm CDT the channel want off. That is the end DNS networks. I will miss them.
     

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