Distant Networks: STELA reauth, DNS and LiL

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  1. Jun 1, 2020 #401 of 655
    James Long

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    We probably need more data, such as FussyBob's market so we can see what the local Fox is. As noted, there is a Fox affiliate in Alpena Michigan (a WBKB sub channel) but Fox national feeds are still available. Alpena is not carried by DIRECTV.
     
  2. Jun 1, 2020 #402 of 655
    mrfatboy

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    My info.

    -San Diego Market
    -Home account
    -Grandfathered East/West ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox
    -Have all locals

    I only have East/West NBC now
     
  3. Jun 1, 2020 #403 of 655
    slice1900

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    We probably aren't going to get solid data on this on day one. If, for example, someone has an RV account and looks at what channels they receive they may not get an accurate picture since Directv can turn channels on/off but changing the ability for a particular customer to actually view or not view those channels will depend on their receiver getting a 'hit'.

    I'm sure they are sending out hits to affected accounts but it probably takes some times to get to them all, and if the receiver is not on at the time it won't see the update.

    So I'd take the stories of people who are seeing DNS channels the law says they should not, or who are missing channels others are getting, with a grain of salt at this time. It will take a day or two for things to stabilize. Plus I'm sure Directv is busy negotiating with ABC to complete the set, and that will require another round of hits to affected accounts.
     
  4. Jun 1, 2020 #404 of 655
    GordonGekko

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    Yes but if hypothetically you lose CBS, you see the credit and disconnect on your account but retain one of the others, your receiver and account got the hits. Of course perhaps for some reason your receiver needs to get separate hits, one for CBS and one for Fox etc., but in that scenario what would be the delay on your account getting the credit/disconnect message for said Fox network.
     
  5. Jun 1, 2020 #405 of 655
    GordonGekko

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    Out of curiosity, if you know or care to check on one of those hd antenna sites, is your home location more miles away from the NBC tower than it is from the Fox antenna tower?

    Anyway I have a theory that Fox/NBC may have put some language in there regarding the distance to their home towers as to which grandfathered can keep them turned on but this is just me throwing stuff against the wall to try to make some sense of this, I wish we could just get some clear language to know where we stand.
     
  6. Jun 1, 2020 #406 of 655
    FussyBob

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    My market is northeastern PA (Wilkes-Barre, Scranton). The local FOX station is WOLF. I believe that the local stations (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX) all broadcast from the same mountain area which is about 30 miles from my home with 3 mountains between me and the transmitters. I can't get those local stations over the air. The irony of all this is that I also have local cable ($20/month for 70 channels which includes 3 local city area TV stations that are cable only, and the major networks). I need the DTV locals so I can record on my DVR's my favorite programs, otherwise I'm redundant with local major networks, the cable does help when needed for sat rain fade. The loss of the DNS screwed everything up! In fact, the local cable gives me almost everything that DTV channel lineup has that I watch except that they dropped the YES network last year and I'm a Yankee fan and need YES. The cable would cost about $120 with 2 DVR's. I could add the MLB package but that is pricey. Now my next option would be YouTube TV streaming as I would get the same locals and YES for $49. I just changed my package last night to Xtra to get the locals. So I guess I'm now locked in for another 2 years with DTV.
     
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  7. Jun 1, 2020 #407 of 655
    DirectMan

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    There is no way ABC is going to be an outlier when the other networks have signed agreements with Directv. All it needs is for some senator or congressman to raise the issue about truckers delivering needed supplies and they will cave. Give it a day or so.
     
  8. Jun 1, 2020 #408 of 655
    GordonGekko

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    Someone here probably knows what the current equivalent is to the Office of the Vice President email that we used back in the day, here is the problem though, if you were grandfathered, I don't know that even if things change with CBS to mirror Fox/NBC that you could get CBS back, and we still don't know if Fox/NBC has some sort of individual agreement with Directv that has extended to grandfathered accounts.
     
  9. Jun 1, 2020 #409 of 655
    HoTat2

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    What still puzzles me is why DIRECTV duplicated only WABC HD/SD and WDCW SD feeds on local spotbeams and place those markets on them. As an apparent preparation to the shutdown of their CONUS feeds if negotiations ultimately fail (still a possibility with ABC).

    But never did the same for the west coast ABC and CW feeds of KABC HD/SD and KTLA SD?

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  10. Jun 1, 2020 #410 of 655
    DirectMan

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    I can only speculate that it was done as a negotiation strategy with ABC to indicate that D* was serious and that ABC would soon have to deal with the truckers complaining to Washington. They were clearly near agreement with CBS and NBC so didn't feel that it was necessary to take that step with those networks. Why they did the east coast and not the west coast ABC feed is beyond me.
     
  11. Jun 1, 2020 #411 of 655
    bobinraymoremo

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    Full-time RVer here
    DNS since 2009 (both east and west coast feeds)
    Located in Texas at my current service address (was a bear to change recently though)
    930a all channels
    12p all channels except east coast ABC
     
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  12. Jun 1, 2020 #412 of 655
    mrfatboy

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    Give me a link to the website and I will check. Thx
     
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    Delroy E Walleye

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    Something like this would be my guess, too.

    We've had NBC E/W since probably 2003 (waiver for no local HD).

    When the "local" finally arrived around '07, we were "allowed" to keep NBC by paying the fee if we wanted them. (We lost waivers for the others.)

    Then they took away the HD (and gave them back later) all the while we paid the monthly fee, so we never lost our "grandfather" of the NBC feeds.

    Although I received the e-mail toward the end of April, there was no official notice in the paper bill, and the full fee was still there.

    As of now, both 392 and 393 are still on. The only other speculation I would have is that there's no translator or any other way to receive our "local" affiliate. Nearest NBCs are way out of antenna range.

    However, the affiliate we're in the market for does come through the sat (like the other "locals").

    Suffice to say, we live in a weird, "jerrymandered" market for the last few decades. Whether that has anything to do with it or not, I don't know.

    Just happy NBC E/W HD is still up for us.
     
  14. Jun 1, 2020 #414 of 655
    James Long

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    Unfortunately that has been irrelevant for several years. If a Fox station was in your market and DIRECTV carried any station in your market they were required to offer carriage to that Fox station and not deliver the DNS Fox to any new customers.

    WOLF is full powered and carried by DIRECTV. So either the just have not killed the DNS for you yet or the deal is better than DIRECTV would have had if they used the DNS law.
     
  15. Jun 1, 2020 #415 of 655
    blazera

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    I have another theory: In San Diego (where the OP is), NBC is an O&O while Fox is not. Could these agreements allow distants into O&O markets?
     
  16. Jun 1, 2020 #416 of 655
    blazera

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    Is your current service address in the DFW DMA?
     
  17. Jun 1, 2020 #417 of 655
    DavidLyle

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    I have the same situation as you EXCEPT I am in the Phoenix market.

    I now only have East/West FOX

    ABC, CBS, & NBC are all showing a partial credit in my online statement.
     
  18. Jun 1, 2020 #418 of 655
    bjlc

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    i have nothing .. every thing is turned off.. and I had waivers for cbs and NBC top notch.. and the others were turned on.. but I have waivers.. and my account is listed as NO LOCALS..
     
  19. Jun 1, 2020 #419 of 655
    bobinraymoremo

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    Full-time RVer here
    DNS since 2009 (both east and west coast feeds)
    Located in Texas at my current service address (was a bear to change recently though)
    930a all channels
    12p all channels except east coast ABC

    I get local channels from San Antonio
     
  20. Jun 1, 2020 #420 of 655
    bobinraymoremo

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    4p update - both east and west ABC now gone
     

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