Distant Networks: STELA reauth, DNS and LiL

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by slice1900, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. Oct 6, 2020 #681 of 782
    James Long

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    The big takeaway is that the law no longer applies to DIRECTV. They lost the protection of the law by not providing locals in all markets. Any "distants" that they provide are by private agreements with the networks - agreements for which the terms have not been made public.

    We have been applying terms that were defined under the law (such as grandfathering) but how those terms are defined under the private agreements are unknown and can vary by network.
     
  2. Oct 6, 2020 #682 of 782
    GordonGekko

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    We could go around in circles, what about for the people who were for grandfathered for CBS and currently lost it, the only way we would know what the Office of the President would do in that situation is if one of us tries, does anyone want to try after reading your debacle, I doubt it.

    Because technically for someone who lost CBS, they would have nothing to lose, either the President's office recognizes your grandfathered status and turns it back on or they don't or some other department reevaluates it and you lose grandfathered status, sounds like they won't mess with any channels you currently receive but right now we can't be confident on that based on your NBC no longer being charged the $2.50 or $3.25 per month fee.

    Look at your recent activity, it should show the change when the NBC distant network was pulled from your bill, was that date before or after you spoke with the President's office?
     
  3. Oct 6, 2020 #683 of 782
    GordonGekko

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    I've only been using the term grandfathering because of what the Office of the President told Bruce, does that mean the term was included in the new agreements, no way to know, will I leave Directv when a cheaper option that has the same DVR abilities of the Genie arrives, probably.

    Does Directv give off the impression they don't care how many Genie subscribers they lose, most definitely.
     
  4. Oct 6, 2020 #684 of 782
    BrucePadgett

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    Right you are sir. ABC still dark on my TV.
     
  5. Oct 6, 2020 #685 of 782
    BrucePadgett

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    NBC disappeared from my billing before I spoke with the President’s rep. And she can’t figure out exactly why either. But she’s wise enough to tell me to stand pat, since I’m still getting it, and the matter could possibly resolve itself. Getting more departments of DirecTV involved could put the channel at further risk.

    Given my experiences, I strongly suggest no one else attempt screwing with their DNS.

    Quite a way to run a company, eh? Ya think the FCC would be happy about this?
     
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  6. Oct 7, 2020 #686 of 782
    cpalmer2k

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    Just for the fun of it I submitted the form to the "Office of the President" today. However once I hit submit it gave me what should have been a confirmation screen but instead it said page not found. Did it do that for anyone else? I had a valid RV waiver since 2013 and kept my stations until sometime in late June when they went away. I know lots of RV users that kept theirs entirely after that point in time. I figure it can't hurt to ask. I've moved on to streaming now and have that covered, but it would be nice to have them back.
     
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    There is a word limit to that form and if you exceed it, it won't submit. Try a shorter statement and ask them to call you to discuss it.
     
  8. Oct 7, 2020 #688 of 782
    BrucePadgett

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    I had the same problem. After two LONG written explanations, I also got the “no page found” notice. Then a short request to call me went through. I suppose placing appropriate instructions on the form was too difficult for AT&T to do.

    They also made it impossible to access online billing tonight. All I can get is “bad connection” or just lovely blank, white screens. Just like a couple weeks ago, and a couple weeks before that, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

    Not that I already have issues with DirecTV, of course.
     
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  9. JiminToga

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    Well folks I got an email from ATT stating that as of 10-23-20, I will be not getting any DNS service. I only have NBC (east and west) and have a camp on the Canadian border in NY State about 38 miles from a low power NBC (the NBC is offered in the Watertown Locals package). I thought I was spared after the June 1 letter that a lot of people received. Could this be sent in error? The local cable company carries both NBC from Watertown in Syracuse IN WATERTOWN. I'm wondering why I wouldn't be offered the same precedent since the cable company is allowed to import a distant channel. I thought NBC cut a deal with Directv about DNS?
     
  10. James Long

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    Cable rules vary from satellite rules. Satellite is market based ... you get the channels that transmit somewhere within the market where you live. Cable must import channels from neighboring markets if those channels qualify as significantly viewed in a community. Significantly viewed for satellite is an option - DIRECTV can deliver a significantly viewed channel but are not forced to do so.

    Significantly viewed count as locals ... so one would need to subscribe to their DIRECTV locals to get any significantly viewed channels DIRECTV makes the choice to offer.

    In markets where a major network is missing (no affiliate, full power or low power transmitting that network) DIRECTV could in the past offer a distant channel for that network. That law no longer helps DIRECTV - they now rely on the private agreements mentioned in previous posts.
     
  11. Michael H..

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    Have had DNS since C-band days, DNS since DBS Pegasus '94-'05, (acquired by) DirecTV '05-'20 (05/31/2020 STELA expiration).
    Had DNS EW SD 389, 394-395 and DNS EW HD 390-393, 396-399, and then there were none. In a remote rural (Pegasus) market that today still has no LIL or OTA whatsoever... nada. Submitted the form. I'll post the results.
     
  12. BrucePadgett

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    It all seems so chaotic. Given your situation, how could you NOT qualify?

     
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    i lost abc east and west this morning.. while I was watching them..
     
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    and i have distants for 20 years and used it in my RV
     
  15. James Long

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    Under the law no one qualifies for grandfathered distants. Michael would need to live in a market with no network stations (none exist) and currently qualify for distants to get a full slate of distant channels from both coasts.

    Under AT&T|DIRECTV's private arrangements who qualifies is unclear.
     
  16. GordonGekko

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    Under account activity, do you see a notation that service ended and you were credited for the remaining days of your current bill?
     
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  17. BrucePadgett

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    And that may well account for the recent posts by DirecTV customers describing sudden or impending loss of channels, even though they still had them post-STELAR. It seems that DirecTV is finally getting around to unsubscribing people, since all grandfathering may have indeed expired.
     
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  18. bjlc

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    no... nothing at all NOTHING..
     
  19. Michael H..

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    After a few rounds of telephone tag, Kelly from DTV called and let me know the results of her talk with the DNS folks. Basically, told her that I'm not getting them back, because without legislation that allows DTV to provide them, then DTV is not able to. I asked about the carriage agreements between the networks and DTV, post-mortem STELA, allowing them to provide DNS to qualified subscribers, and Kelly said that the DNS folks did not mention it, but that she assumes that this was done to enable DNS service for mobile accounts.
     
  20. James Long

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    Can you tell us/remind us what market you are in?
     

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