Distant Networks: STELA reauth, DNS and LiL

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  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Tell the truth. DISH was not required to add the markets. Adding the markets was not a punishment for any crime.
    Once you accept those true statements we can talk. Until then, further discussion is useless.

    (You are wrong about the stations in the 12 markets. They are under no obligation to cover their entire Nielsen DMA. No station is under any such obligation to cover their market.)

    And now back to DC, where the future of distants is awaiting congressional action.
     
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  2. joshjr

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    I dont care if we agree or not James. We rarely do. Whats new. Adding the markets was the stipulation that Dish had to comply with to get the DNS feeds back. Thats not disputable. Call it punishment or what ever you want, it was a requirement IF they wanted to offer DNS feeds.

    As for locals not covering their markets, we been talking about whats right. I am shocked to hear you talking out of both sides of your mouth here. You want DirecTV to add the final 12 markets because its the right thing to do yet you dont think that stations that claim a market should cover the majority of it at least OTA? How can you claim to be a DMA's affiliate if you dont even cover 50% of the said market? If were really talking about whats right, those 12 markets should do more to make it right and DirecTV should to. But in no way, should DirecTV just fix those 12 markets issues without them helping in some way. To me it says the local channels in those 12 markets dont care about their own markets people that live there because the only responsibility they feel to those people to get them their channels signal is to point the finger at DirecTV.

    What happens every time a local channel goes dark in a dispute? They say two things, you can get our channel from another provider or OTA for free. I guess in those 12 markets, your just screwed. Its not wrong to want DirecTV to carry their channel but it is wrong to not offer even 50% of your market your signal and expect someone else to do just that. Since you seem to want to be correct, let me know when you acknowledge that these locals are not doing their part to really be able to claim localism in their own markets. There should be standards for any station that wants to be in a DMA as to what % of the DMA should be able to get the signal at least OTA.
     
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  3. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    The "help" that DIRECTV gets from covering those markets is money. Not just the extra that DIRECTV charges for delivering locals, but the additional subscribers that DIRECTV gets by being competitive in the marketplace. When other MVPDs provide locals DIRECTV is at a competitive disadvantage. A good business would want to remove said disadvantage. Who do customers blame when their provider doesn't provide their channels? I'd blame the provider. They are the ones that get my payments.

    At the end of the day it is another business choice. DISH consented to a deal that restored their ability to deliver distants nationwide and it has helped their business. DIRECTV made a promise they have not kept. If Congress feels the need to encourage DIRECTV to add the final 12 markets it won't change how any other MVPD does business - it will simply give DIRECTV a choice. How important are locals?

    Perhaps DIRECTV is doing fine with staggering net subscriber losses. Adding the final 12 markets won't stem that tide. The discussion becomes moot.
     
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  4. joshjr

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    Can you provide a link to said promise from DirecTV? I noticed you completely ignored the part about the locals being responsible for covering at least 50% of their own market. So your all about whats right for DirecTV to do but not the stations themselves? You sound like one of those people from the NAB!
     
  5. James Long

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    There is no proof YOU would accept. :)

    I looked it up earlier this year to verify the NAB claim. I'm sure you can do the same.
     
  6. joshjr

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    If you trust the NAB then there is your problem right there. They didnt care of the short markets were served or not as long as the final 12 got covered. Also dont care about how many blackouts there are. You showed some true colors there James. Might as well work for the NAB James. Thats the same group that feels so strong about all the fees TV channels are due but feels that radio stations should not have to pay artists for their songs. They talk out of both sides of their mouth constantly as it suits their need. Its rather gross! Pretty clear they care about making a buck and not people. Id love to see everyone go OTA and see what these stations say when they are making NO MONEY from us!
     
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  7. James Long

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    As stated, I verified the NAB claim - so no, I didn't just take them at their word. I have already stated what I'd like to see - and it wouldn't make the NAB happy. Anyways, enough of your personal attacks. That isn't why we have this thread.
     
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    Running out of time. I keep looking but dont see anything else scheduled on this. I am guessing that is a sign that this will just get renewed and kick the can down the road. The impeachment seems to be taking over just about everything.
     
  9. n2radio

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    Looks like the NAB is getting what they have wanted:

    https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/source-deal-struck-on-stelar-successor-bills

    This is wrapped up in the spending bill which congress has to pass to avoid a government shutdown next week (12/20). It will pass.

    Does this mean DirecTV customers in the 12 markets without locals will lose complete access to the Big 4 networks after May 31 if they cannot pick them up with an antenna?
     
  10. cpalmer2k

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    I'm glad to see they're making the exemptions for RVers, Truckers, etc. permanent so we don't have to play this game every five years. I just hope adding the additional 12 markets doesn't make DirecTV just say screw it and walk away leaving all of us with DNS out in the cold. It'll also be interesting to see if Dish steps up and starts offering East & West Coast DNS service again. Right now everybody who signs up with them gets West Coast.
     
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  11. James Long

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    100% in the hands of AT&T/DIRECTV. I believe they will choose wisely.
     
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    so what does this mean for us who still have our distant networks..?
     
  13. James Long

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    We will need to see the final bill. But the preliminary proposal appears to limit distants to RV/Truckers and short markets, so if you have distants due to grandfathering it appears they would be lost. (The text of HR 5140 removes waivers, grandfathering and signal strength qualifications.)

    "IN GENERAL.—A subscriber of a satellite carrier who receives the secondary transmission of a network station under the statutory license in section 119 of title 17, United States Code, as in effect on the day before the date of the enactment of this Act, and to whom subsection (a)(2)(B) of such section, as amended by subsection (a), does not apply, shall continue to be eligible to receive that secondary transmission from such carrier under such license, and at the royalty rate established for such license by the Copyright Royalty Board or voluntary agreement, as applicable, until the date that is the earlier of—

    (A) 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act; or

    (B) the date on which such carrier provides local-into-local service to all DMAs."
     
  14. bjlc

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    if that's the case its another reason not to stay with Directv..
     
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  15. slice1900

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    I'd wait to see what happens first. They have unused spotbeams into some of the unserved markets, and may have the ability to serve all of them. If there are markets they can't cover with spot beams they could cover them with national beams - they would probably deliver MPEG4 SD locals to those customers as there is no requirement that they provide the channels in HD.

    As far as I can tell the reason why they never served those markets where they have unused/usable spotbeams is that they decided the cost of doing so would outweigh the money they'd make. How many additional customers will providing locals win them in a market that serves a population of less than 100K? They have set up a local receive facility, and probably incur monthly rent costs for it, and set up equipment in their uplink centers, we're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars minimum per market. They'd never reach payback in such small markets.

    The math changes if they lose the ability to deliver DNS though, and risk losing tens or hundreds of thousands of customers because of it. I don't know what they'll do, but I really doubt they will sit on their hands and lose their DNS license. Since this bill is tied to "must pass" legislation they are probably already planning what they'll do and figuring out a schedule to have it done by the deadline.
     
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  16. cpalmer2k

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    I hope DirecTV has a good way of figuring out who is "grandfathered" and who falls into each category (RV, Trucker, etc) so that everybody doesn't have to go through the approval process again. Since AT&T took over that has become a nightmare from what I understand. I'm on an RV waiver, and my bill does say "Mobile Network Package- East". I wonder what bills say for those who are grandfathered? It also will be interesting to see what restrictions are put on RVs, Truckers, etc. One of the previous bills had put in place the restriction that you couldn't view HD programming from an "earlier" Time Zone which led DirecTV to start enforcing the East/West only for DNS. Dish interpreted that differently though and just gives everybody West Coast DNS. I wonder if the new law will change any of that?
     
  17. James Long

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    I believe the math of losing short market DNS would be sufficient to encourage AT&T to cover the 12 markets (even if all are just SD). They could throw away the 12 markets with no locals, but this affects short markets outside of the 12.

    I wonder if we will ever get an account of the number of DNS subscribers lost due to the end of grandfathering and waivers.

    DISH's "DNS package" is hard to track down. In general, DISH uses the law for short markets (not trucks/RVs) and they provide channels of their choosing from neighboring markets. It isn't the same channels nationwide. I see some reference to DNS for truckers available but have not been able to confirm an active offering. "Change your address or use an antenna" seems to be the current offering.

    As for DIRECTV, your billing looks like they did keep track of who had an RV waiver. Since there is no grandfathering there is no legal issue if DIRECTV accidentally turns off service (as in, no "sorry - we cannot legally restore service").

    Legal issues:
    "For purposes of this subparagraph, the terms ‘‘recreational vehicle’’ and ‘‘commercial truck’’ shall not include any fixed dwelling, whether a mobile home or otherwise."
    "A signed declaration by the operator of the recreational vehicle or commercial truck that the satellite dish is permanently attached to the recreational vehicle or commercial truck, and will not be used to receive satellite programming at any fixed dwelling."

    Registration papers for the RV or truck registration and a valid commercial driver's license is required. These must be verified every two years (current law).

    The practice of having your "RV" distants added to your fixed dwelling home account would be a problem. I can see why DISH is not actively selling nationwide DNS packages.
     
  18. cpalmer2k

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    Dish has DNS, they just quit publicizing it as openly as they did a few months ago. You have to ask for it but if you do they provide the forms. It is LA only though regardless of where you live.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. JoeTheDragon

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    What will air force one fall under?? RV?, commercial truck? get EAST and WEST?
     
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  20. cpalmer2k

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    I’d say that is the ultimate Recreational Vehicle lol
     
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