Distant Networks: STELA reauth, DNS and LiL

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  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    BTW: The bill as it stands is the same as the proposal except DIRECTV is given until May 31, 2020, to cover all markets and qualify to continue to deliver distants.
     

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  2. GordonGekko

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    https://www.multichannel.com/news/stelar-to-sunset-dec-31

    Question, will the grandfathered accounts know if the plug is pulled on January 1st, or will we have to wait the 120 days past 1/1/20 to determine if we are losing them? (Or June 1st)

    I emailed the author of the above article, he believes you are probably correct that the grandfathered accounts are toast but he can't be certain and some of the experts he relies on in the industry are not sure either.
     
  3. James Long

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    The date granfathered distants will end is "May 31, 2020; or the date on which such carrier provides local-into-local service to all DMAs." (The previous proposal said 120 days after enactment or on the date LIL is available in all DMAs.)

    When AT&T|DIRECTV will notify their subscribers is up to AT&T|DIRECTV. Theoretically DIRECTV could turn up all but one market and light the final DMA May 31st without anyone who will continue to receive distants losing distants. That would give the grandfathered subscribers the most number of days. But I doubt AT&T|DIRECTV will wait that long. I don't see them rushing to light up the remaining markets in January, but I don't see them waiting until May.

    I expect that once the bill is signed into law there will be an announcement.
     
  4. GordonGekko

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    Any idea why they sent some subscribers emails over the summer asking why they needed the distant networks, well actually I don't remember what their question was but somewhere, maybe in this thread, someone claimed they got an email asking questions about their DNS.
     
  5. slice1900

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    Probably they wanted to gather information to be used for lobbying congress when the STELA reauth was discussed.
     
  6. Michael H..

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    I am one of those continuous DNS subscribers that pre-dates 1999, though I am almost certain that there is no way to substantiate that.
    My original service inception date was 1994, through Pegasus, who managed the rural accounts for DirecTV / USSB up until DirecTV acquired Pegasus and all of their rural subscribers in 2005. Since I have been officially under the DirecTV banner, their records [and my DirecTV assigned account number] reflect a 'thanks for being a DirecTV customer since 2005..." The DirecTV CSR's knew nothing about Pegasus in 2006, I'm certain no-one there today would know anything about them.

    I had both E & W SD DNS [channel '80's] from 1994. When the 110° slot Ku-band HD H10 model was introduced, I retained the E & W SD [channel '80's] but was initially only provided the E HD [even numbered channel '90's]. The eventual interpretation and wording adopted by DirecTV was "... not to receive HD DNS broadcasts any earlier than their...", so PST / MST could not receive E HD, but CST / EST could receive W HD in addition to E HD, and a couple of months later I ended up with E & W SD [channel '80's] and E & W HD [channel '90's], Ku-band and still have all E & W SD & HD [channels 389-399] Ka-band to this day.
    [edit: All CONUS, LIL & spotbeams came into existence when DTV7S (as I recall) came online]

    The origins of the satellite out-of-market broadcast provision dates back to [Cro-Magnon] C-band transmission. Legislation creating the license was originally enacted for 6 years, effective January 1, 1989. One year before expiration, specifically to include DBS, the satellite carrier license was extended for 5 years by the Satellite Home Viewer Act of 1994 (“SHVA of 1994"), Public Law 103-369. That §119 license expired December 31, 1999, and variants of it, with slightly altered acronyms and text, have been renewed every 5 years since then. I have been covered by some version of SHVA since 1994, so the next act will be (SOS) ACT VI for me. I've always viewed these as a stay of execution, always expecting my last meal and to "walk the mile", so if it finally happens, it happens.

    For me, DNS had already been compromised. During the NFL hiatus (no team) in Los Angeles, there was no televised restriction of 10AM PST games due to a 1PM PST home game, and no restriction of 1PM PST because there was no 75-mile radius home team. There were two games on each NFL W DNS network, four broadcasts, in addition to the four broadcasts on the NFL E DNS network (included the Jets & Giants), and accounting for the SUN / MON / THU broadcasts, I would receive 11 of the 15 NFL contests every week. I had no reason to subscribe to NFL ticket. I grew up in southern CA, but still preferred not having the Oakland Davis' and LA Frontiere's in town.

    I'm a UCLA alum, and the whole PAC12 Larry Scott drama did not disrupt my 25 year DirecTV subscription, but if my DNS disappears, then I do as well...
     
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  7. GordonGekko

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    Yes, although as you wrote the amount of games is not as high as years ago, it is always cool to set the DVR to record those extra games, it is a shame the rules don't allow everyone in America to pay extra for NY/LA, make it a rule that in order to get NY/LA you must also pay for your local stations, I get it, ratings etc. but the in town locals have the advantage of providing hyper local news coverage, people will always watch that, just give us some extra choice.

    Although I imagine the NFL is not too happy about the people who get DNS but I'm fairly certain the amount of people who watch NFL games on illegal streams dwarfs the amount of people watching those extra games on DNS.
     
  8. Michael H..

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    Not sure how many people, not in an RV, would be willing to pay $20 extra for DNS. I believe each network would still cost $3.50, even if you got only the E or W feed. In 1994, these cost $1.50, before increasing to $2.50, then eventually to $3.50. The grandfathered "no locals" programming packages are discounted $3 from the local inclusive, and both will go up next month with the scheduled increase. I get all the OTA locals & subchannels integrated into the DVR's with the AM21's. I don't watch the news, on distant or local broadcast. I get the news and weather online. Because I don't live in NY or LA, one or both of the OTA out of market NFL broadcasts in addition to the designated local NFL team are usually different from the DNS. Before STL and SD moved to LA, I might not receive only one or two of the entire NFL ticket games each week. In the '90's, When I was young, single, and a renter, I could watch four or five games per week. This millennium, as an ancient, married, owner, I haven't been able to find the time to watch more than one game per week.

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  9. Rob37

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    The NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL ALL still have games that will continue to be aired on Local Channels for MANY years to come. And as in my case my "Local" channels are 80 Miles away yes that is correct. My local area served by Memphis Tennessee & from where I live in a very rural area, an over the air antenna does me no good. I have one & Cannot pick up Memphis locals with it. The only way I get them is through DIRECTV. So local stations better not go away. And as for you in your case, YOU might not have Any use for your Local Channels, but I do for my local channels and there are certainly many others that have a use for Local Channels.
     
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  10. Richard

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    These games can be watch by other means. NFL games are replayed on NFL Network throughout the week, and are even condensed to remove most of the irrelevant content.

    What I meant is that the local channels should be required to make sure EVERYONE in their market can receive their channel, either by over the air antenna, or by land based cable or via DBS. And, the local channel should be required to cover the costs for that. Meaning, DirecTV/DISH should not have to pay to rebroadcast those channels. That should be required or these "local" channels should be made to pay for the use of the airwaves they get to use for free today.

    The channels considered "local" for me are over 75 miles away, and I don't consider them "local" either.
     
  11. slice1900

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    Why should local stations be required to do this? If you're a plumber, should you be required to fix anyone's toilet that breaks, and pay all costs in doing so? Your argument is ludicrous.
     
  12. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Expecting the local stations to pay for carriage is too much to ask. Are you going to require every cable system to wire every home in the market that has trouble with OTA?

    A better system (which will also never come to pass) is for all stations to be paid a statutory rate for rebroadcast. Instead of the "less popular" stations (and non-profit stations) choosing "must carry" to get carriage on cable and satellite - with zero financial compensation - and the "more popular" stations choosing "consent to carry" and holding rebroadcasters hostage with high rates take care of the copyright issues the same way that satellite providers pay for distant stations: a statutory rate. All stations must carry on satellite and cable with statutory rates paid to all copyright holders. Much fairer than the current system. But, as noted, it won't happen.
     
  13. bjlc

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    please just kick the can down the road 5 years.. Directv could be on life support by then..
     
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  14. GordonGekko

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    Sadly that is impossible now, it is a done deal, just a matter of reading the fine print, barring a low percentage surprise, the grandfathered DNS era is over.
     
  15. James Long

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    Anyone get any inside information on what will happen for those non RV distant network subscribers? I agree with the speculation that there is little chance they will survive but has anyone been able to dig any info out of Directv? I tried a few calls but got nowhere.
     
  17. slice1900

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    Well it sounded like the ones who are grandfathered will lose that status, however I'm just going off what I read about this and haven't actually read the text of the bill (and have no desire/intention to do so) Perhaps someone who is affected by this and concerned will take that step, and will be able to point to text in the bill that says one way or another. But as I understand it the "grandfathering" was supported by previous bills and has expired, so unless the new bill explicitly extends it it should be cut off already (unless the new bill gives a grace period to notify customers or something)

    The ones who actually need DNS because they have markets that lack one or more affiliates will keep them - so long as Directv covers those 12 DMAs by the end of May. We probably won't know whether/when that's happening until we start seeing them appear in the weekly spreadsheet.

    If Directv fails to cover those 12 markets then ALL DNS for every Directv customer will go away on June 1st. I don't see any way they fail to do so, that would cost them hundreds of thousands of customers and so whatever they've saved in the past by not covering those markets is no longer worth it under the new law.
     
  18. James Long

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    The date granfathered distants will end is "May 31, 2020; or the date on which such carrier provides local-into-local service to all DMAs."

    Distants will be provided to RV customers who have completed the correct forms and keep them up to date and to customers in short markets where an affiliate of that network is not available from an in market broadcaster. DIRECTV has until the end of May to sort out what they are doing and notify customers (if they choose to do so). The law says they need to comply by May 31st or turn off all distants (including short markets and RVs) until they are compliant.

    The text of the law is attached in a post above. Bottom line: If you have an affiliate in your market do not expect to receive a distant of that affiliate unless you are in an RV or commercial vehicle.
     
  19. I WANT MORE

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    So, It appears that the distant networks in the 390s will remain up then?
     
  20. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    For qualified customers, yes.
     

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