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  1. RBA

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    Superstations have not been available for over a year, only available to granfathered subscribers.
     
  2. mwdxer

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    I have had the Superstations for many years now. I wonder since Dish is no longer selling them, how long will Dish still carry them?
     
  3. joshjr

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    I am a DirecTV customer but was just trying to offer some insight on the laws that had changed. DirecTV imports a CW to me from Baltimore and it also is in SD.
     
  4. James Long

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    DISH has a couple of CW feeds that can be delivered to markets without a CW affiliate. But they are NOT distants. The law does not cover the CW. The stations are delivered under an agreement with the network, not under the distants legislation.
     
  5. joshjr

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    James, I dont know if that is true. I agree that it is a commitment with another CW but am not sure about it not being a distant. Does DIsh offer an out of market CW to new customers that are not carried? I know they dont offer the SuperStations anymore. For me, DirecTV imports the DNS feed into my normal local lineup so yeah its another CW but its the same as the east coast CW feed anyone else gets with DNS feeds.

    Kinda dont make sense if its not the case right? How else can you legally get a signal from somewhere else (not your DMA) into your DMA if its not a DNS feed or have distant network laws apply.

    I work with some people who have DIsh in my market. I will ask one of them tomorrow if they have a CW affiliate in their lineup. My guess is no.
     
  6. James Long

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    The channels are not distants. There is a clear definition of what a distant network is and the CW does not qualify.

    But there is no law that prevents DISH from making a deal to deliver a CW feed under whatever terms they work out with the network. They could do the same with any of the four major networks but the network deals with their affiliates prevent such a national feed. That is why the distants laws was so important ... to allow DISH and DirecTV to import those four major networks without the permission of the network or affiliates. That gets around the issue of the network or affiliates breaking their contracts. The law offers protection for in market affiliates of the four major networks (as you noted, out of market stations no longer are considered a conflict).

    I do not know who gets the national CW feed. DISH does not map it to a local channel the way they carry distant channels (it appears only on channel 919). I have a CW in my market and I do not get the "national feed". DISH also has feeds labeled WPIX (916) and KTLA (918).
     
  7. joshjr

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    Arnt those two you listed at the end there SuperStations? I know WPIX used to be. If so those are no longer offered. Below comes directly from Dish's site. They dont offer CW in my area and make no note about that fact or an alternative. When I called Dish about it last year, they said if I agreed to a 2 year commitment that they would see if I qualified for the CW on one of their channels that they thought I could get. Why on earth would I need to sign up for 2 years to tell me what channels I can get. NO THANKS! When Dish got the Distants taken away, they decided they didnt care about short markets at least for non big 4 locals anyways. For me it is a moot point as I have zero intention of ever moving to Dish Network but I am happy to help someone if I can even if that means Dish is the best fit for them.
     

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  8. James Long

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    The superstations are on channels 233, 234, 235, 236 and 238 for those who have the grandfathered channels.
    Channels 916, 918 and 919 are not "superstations".

    Perhaps someone in the Joplin can say if they get one of the special channels. As noted, DISH does not map them as locals.
     
  9. mwdxer

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    As I mentioned I still have the Super Stations, as I have had them since I got Dish back in 1999. That was one reason I went with Dish at the time and there were no locals, just East & West nets if I remember correctly. 233-KTLA, 234-WPIX, 235-KWGN, 236-WSBK, and #28-WWOR.

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  10. joshjr

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    Not mapping them as locals and not listing that they carry a CW on their site is 2 different things. If they do offer one of the alternate channels in my area, its nice that they dont advertise that up front on their site when showing what locals they carry in each area.
     
  11. James Long

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    You have already stated that you will never be a DISH sub, so their grievous error isn't a big problem. :)
    I'd rather see DISH lose a sale because the CW was not listed than see it listed and not have it in the lineup.
    So assume that one will not get the CW unless it is a listed local affiliate ... and be pleasantly surprised if one gets a special feed.
     
  12. joshjr

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    Not opposed to that either. What I am opposed to is a Dish rep that cant tell me if I will be able to get the CW without signing up for 2 years. Kinda stupid dont ya think?

    On another note, I did just ask a friend who lives near me with Dish Network and they confirmed that they were able to get channel 919 but had no clue they were getting it before I asked them about it.
     
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    On Wednesday, the Senate Commerce Committee passed the Satellite Television Access and Viewer Rights Act (STAVRA), a bill that allows roughly 1.5 million satellite owners living in remote areas to access broadcast television stations. But left on the table was a much bolder plan: a provision, called “local choice,” that would allow customers to choose which broadcast stations they wanted their cable or satellite plans to include.

    The amendment, added to a renewal of the Satellite Television Extension and Localism Act (STELA), would have been a first step toward “a la carte” television, allowing for the unbundling of channels in a cable plan.

    But the provision made the bill controversial. It was backed by cable groups that have long struggled with retransmission fees, but it became a target of criticism from the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) and a number of advertising trade groups.

    Now it is up to the house to pass this bill.

    Would be neat to be able to get more choices in which local market to receive.


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  14. mwdxer

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    It is nice to watch the local news and such, but getting TV signals for other markets would be a plus. Having the Super Stations helps that, but since Dish no longer offers them to new customers, that is moot. With the Roku, I do have access to many TV station's local news and PI programming, so that is nice, since I cannot get it from Dish. I do get the idea ale carte is in the future.
     
  15. SeaBeagle

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    Would be neat. That is neat on this passage. It is OK on ROKU. But if you notice when you think you are looking at a live news cast after a few minutes you realize this is a recording.

    In some cases there are live news casts.

    At least with the bills passage the TV stations will be actually live.


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    Yeah uh you misred the bill. It is NOT going to let you choose which market you want, nor is it going to allow every station to stream network and syndicated programming online to anyone in the country or world who wants to watch. What it might do is allow you to opt-out of specific stations in your market. i.e. if you don't watch your local CW affiliate, you don't have to get it.

    Of course for that vast majority of people this will not change anything as the stations they would want to opt out of are likely the religious, ethnic, independent and infomercial heavy channels which are using must carry so they are free.
     
  17. mwdxer

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    All TV stations do not stream, but enough do to catch live news from many markets. Also they are on a loop, so if you miss the live news, the viewer can catch it repeated in between newscasts. OnTV does that and I love it.
     
  18. SeaBeagle

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    Would not make any difference. If one person does not want a have a channel carried by a cable company or a satellite company that will not work. Cable and satellite companies would not change which channels are offered or not offered because of one person.

    So this bill was something the house and senate looked into for something to do.


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  19. KyL416

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    If you don't want your local CW affiliate, you'll just get a not subscribed message or the channel won't appear in your guide. It would be no different than what happens to any other channel you don't subscribe to.

    The real challenge would be how the heck to price it, Dish's non-locals package is $5 cheaper while DirecTV's is $3 cheaper. Depending on how many stations in a given market chose retrans consent payments instead of free must carry, along with whatever overhead they factored in to maintain the local receive facilities, in the end it might just be like a 10 cent difference per channel.
     
  20. James Long

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    There isn't much use in arguing about the amendments that were dropped. Most of them are the "I want a pony" type of asks that never get approved but some politician can go home and say "I tried" to their constituents.

    The actual bill is closer to status quo. Promoted as a victory for "1.5 million" subscribers but mainly just an extension of the existing law. Another temporary extension --- so expect a similar vote in four years. A couple of minor tweaks to definitions, cross out 2015 and put in 2019 in several places. Restate protections already in place.

    No, you're not getting a pony.

    An interesting comment quoted in the Multichannel News article suggesting that proponents that lost their amendments put forth changes separate from the renewal so there is time to debate them. However this bill has been under discussion for well over a year. But it isn't important until the old law expires and a date change bill is required.
     

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