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DLB exist its just a software bug

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by davel, May 28, 2007.

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  1. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    "some validity" I will agree with. What I was commenting on was the poster's "flaw" [which was my real point]. Nobody really knows what the percentage is. It's very much like asking four people a question and getting three to give one answer & then say three quarters of everybody wants "X".

    I'm not against DLB. I haven't had it so I don't know what I'm missing [therefore I didn't vote]. I also don't watch [or try to] two shows at once. Does this mean everybody should use it "my way"? of course not. The good old "YMMV" applies.

    If you're trying to promote an idea, it helps to "be realistic" with your pitch. Unsubstantiated claims don't help one's position. Also beating something to death doesn't either. Well this is my opinion and everybody has theirs.
    A factual discussion will win more over than emotional ranting. :)
     
  2. jaywdetroit

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    nahhhh- DLB/FM Radio are KEY features which drastically alter the enjoyment one can have using the product. :) Neither is required for the product to function, but both should be included without asking. :)
     
  3. gabe23

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    Well, to be fair VOS, the exact comment was:

    tiger2005 never said that 75% of ALL HR20 users want DLB, but you seem to have read it that way. It is completely true that 75% who have voted in the poll want DLB, and at last count that was over 1200 users. Now maybe that's not "MANY people" in your opinion, but to try an say this was an "unsubstantiated claim" or "emotional ranting" is plain wrong. Am I missing something here?

    I'm definately in the pro-DLB camp, though not a crusader by any means. But I guess I just don't understand when people admittedly don't care about a feature, but they feel the need to attack others that do want it. Seems to happen all the time around here.
     
  4. jheda

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    Well said Gabe. Another DLB ex last night....watching the yankee game and in the Directtivo days, in between innings, i would catch up with NHL finals. With ease. What a pleasure. Its live tv. Its what i love. And I love my hr20. But as Earl said, i want my multiCD player.

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  5. Nofences

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    DLB is a nice feature, but really, aren't there more important things that you would rather see on the HR20 than DLB (which can already be done, although not as simply as on a Tivo). Here are the 5 things I would rather see D* implement on my HR20.

    1. 150 HD Channels - While I realize this isnt a function or feature of the HR20 hardware, I think I would rather D* put their financial resources towards a feature they have been promising for months and still havent delivered before they spent a single red cent on DLB (something that was never promised). Because honestly, it all comes down to the dollar, spend it wisely D*.

    2. MRV - This (in my mind) is the single most advantageous software upgrade they could do to the HR20. If you could transfer programs from one DVR to another in a different room, you wouldnt have to set up a season pass for every program on every DVR, or conversely, if your HR20 were to crash during a recording, you could transfer that show from another room (assuming you recorded it) and watch it where ever you want. Which leads me to my next point.

    3. VOD - I suppose this one kind of negates MRV in a way, since you could theoretically just download the show you wanted to watch, rather than transfer it from another room, but... I somehow doubt that D* plans to offer "every" program their viewers are interested in via VOD. I also wonder if VOD programs will be available in HD, I know they arent on some other providers. So while this is a definate benefit, it isn't as good as MRV.

    4. DivX/XviD Video Streaming - We all know that D* intends to allow us to stream video to the HR20 (at least we assume that is why the video option appears on networked units). I have often wondered what codecs they will support for video streaming. I sincerely hope they intend to support DivX and/or XviD as they are the predominate codec for movies you can "purchase" or download off the net. With all the stand alone DivX DVD players available it seems like an obvious choice, but again, it is all about the dollar and sometimes the obvious choice isnt the most lucrative one.

    5. A color other than Silver - Again, this is not a software feature (but that is why I worded the article title as I did) but lets be honest, I am buying a high dollar piece of electronic equipment, it seems reasonable that I should get to pick a color to match the rest of my equipment. I wouldnt go shopping at any car lot that only sold white cars! I currently own an HR20-100b, but I had to get it on eBay. I paid more than MSRP so that I could get one that matched the rest of my A/V equipment. I can't imagine it was any more expensive to produce than the silver model and asthetics are important to a lot of people (more important than DLB to some).

    So there it is, my top 5, feel free to flame me for my choices, but in the end they are mine to make.
     
  6. jheda

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    only the 150 HD's are more impt than DLB to me right now, but thats why i like brunettes and others blondes (come to think of it, i dont mind blondes)

     
  7. veryoldschool

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    I like fairness. I saw the "many" & maybe just "cherry picked" the 75%.
    After that my comments move away from the OP and to this topic "in general".
    We had 1000 downloads of the recent CE, does that show a majority of users?
    I'm not against DLB, but more the lack of factual reasoning in a long standing issue.
    After while one just goes numb...
    VOD is a big thing to some, right now. It's another thing I doubt I'd use much, but others feel they NEED it.
    I like good informed discussion, whether I feel I would use the feature or not.
    And on the other side are the ones that seems to start with " "My TiVO....", for which the "common" response seems to be "this ain't a TiVO", so get over it.

    Sorry for my rant...
     
  8. Michael D'Angelo

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    I agree with the first 3. The other 2 I don't care about and I don't really care about DLB that much. would be nice to have but I can live without it.
     
  9. Nofences

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    Finally, something we all can agree on...
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  10. Earl Bonovich

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    Campers....

    That point is not that some off us don't care about DLB, and we would like X,Y,Z.

    It is okay... seriously... that some people want it.

    IF DLB comes as a sacrafice to some other feature, (either future planned, or existing)... well then we can get into the debate about I would rather have X,Y,Z other then DLB.
     
  11. cuibap

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    Fair enough. BUT if D* doesn't put DLB on the list of feature and time frame, that only means that they don't care, no matter how put put it...
     
  12. jheda

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    Excellent point Earl.

    When we reach that junction, we can poll and debate. D* has an amazing pool of voices of different backgrounds, interests and economics here.. I think D* would be well served to reach a crossroads in their mapping one day and toss it at us..."would u rather resources go to A (DLB?) or B (MRV< etc.). Of course its thier company, and they would be the final arbitor.

    BTW, I care about VOD, MRV, and other feautures. I have no personal use for captions but all know how i voiced that needed to be worked on before DLB.


     
  13. Drew2k

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    I think one other point needs to be made about why DirecTV may not have DLB on their current development plan: Their business model and the development costs. We know this year they are ambitiously rolling out new HD channels. They are rolling out VOD. They are rolling out a new GUI. They are rolling out fixes to the CIR problem. They are still supporting multiple brands of DVRs and non-DVR receivers. They had to deal with the change to DST this year. Resources have to be analyzed and allocated. Schedules have to be analyzed. Testing plans. Support plans. Etc. All of these things were on their schedule probably two years ago.

    Then the HR20 rolled out, and users clamored for DLB. We only know what we see in software releases and what Earl is privileged to know and is permitted to share with us. How do we know it won't be on their development schedule for next year?
     
  14. Tom Robertson

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    Sorry, Earl, but lets at least keep the analogy honest. :) Very nearly every car these days has at least an AM radio (and only the most cheap only have AM). Most have AM/FM. A bunch have CD players. And some have multi-cd players.

    From what I gather here, very nearly every DVR has at least a single live buffer. :D Most have DLB. From what I gather here there are two models of DVR sold/leased/rented/available conspicuously missing DLB. Both by DIRECTV, btw... This is not CD vs. Multi-cd, as the analogy doesn't hold. This is AM vs. AM with anything else.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  15. jahgreen

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    This claim is the only part of this thread I don't get.

    How do we know "a vast majority" of users want DLB? We know a vast majority of those who voted in the poll here want DLB, but that's a different matter entirely. It doesn't tell us anything about the percentage of members of DBSTalk who want DLB, much less the number of HR20 users. The selection bias in the poll is overwhelming. Only a random poll of HR20 users, with a sufficient sample to provide a statistically significant result, would let us know how many HR20 users want DLB. Does anyone know of such a statistically valid test?

    I'm still willing to bet that a majority--maybe not a vast majority--of DirecTivo users didn't know about DLB and that a majority of HR20 users don't know about DLB.

    Having said all that, I'd LIKE to have DLB, but I'd rather they iron out the bugs in the existing functions first.

    P.S. to jaywdetroit--do you all still cruise Woodward? I haven't been back to Detroit much since leaving for college way back in 1972, but I still root for the Tigers and Pistons and Red Wings. I've pretty much given up on the Lions. When are they going to fire Millen?
     
  16. Steve

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    Lower...
    Ya, if you never had DLB, you might not think to ask for it. (As an early DirecTivo user, I couldn't wait for the second tuner to be activated, but for recording purposes, not for LIVE TV DLB functionality.) But if you're a DIRECTIVO/DISH/MOTOROLA DVR convert, then you have experienced Live TV DLB functionality and could very well miss it. /s
     
  17. CCarncross

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    So you want D* to rush to get DLBs into the box possibly risking the stability they have gained in the last 6 months or so to please a bunch of impatient sports fans? One of the reasons I feel that the box was released when it was was due to people screaming for them to release it in the 1st place. The customers seem to be pushing them into a no win situation, I want it yesterday, AND i want it to be perfect. usually mutually exclusive.

    A little patience goes a long way. I see very little shown here.
     
  18. KSbugeater

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    Having both an HR10 and an HR20 in my system, I get the best of both worlds: DLB on the 10 and 90 min buffer on the 20. (Actually, 2 weeks ago I paused ESPN at the beginning of the early playoff game, and it was still paused when I got home in the middle of the 2nd playoff game, 4 hours later. I caught up to live by skipping and FF and NEVER MISSED A SECOND, even though my free space was supposedly less than 10%, and it never "officially" recorded. How does that buffer work???)

    I'm with the crowd that says DLB changes the live watching experience. It is SO easy to flip back and forth among MORE THAN 2 stations using DLB, and it leaves no mess in the Now Playing List. In fact, even if I'm watching pre-recorded material, I'm usually conscious of what stations my buffers are on so that when I'm done, I might catch a "live TV nugget" like a home run or a TD. As I hinted earlier, my HD is almost always near full, so I can't afford (space-wise) recording 2 3-hour HD games/movies/concerts, but I can easily watch both in the same time span without recording -- only with DLB. I plan to keep both boxes until D* gives me DLB in another format.
     
  19. Dusty

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    I missed DLB very much when I switched from HR10 to HR20 last September. I am one of those that watch live TV with my DVR so I care about DLB. If someone ask me if I want DLB, the answer is undoubtedly yes. The question is only interesting when we get to the "at what cost" part.

    If given the choice, I'd like to see MRV, remote setting through internet, and VOD before DLB as a consumer. I want MRV so bad that it is the only feature I don't mind paying them extra money for. DLB won't be a factor for me to switch, but when FIOS extends MRV to support HD, it will become very tempting. But my guess is D* sees it differently. I suspect VOD is at or near the top of their list. I have no idea how they see MRV. Where is the MRV thread?

    I take Earl's answer positively. Remember how long HR10 users asked for the software update (6.2?, I don't remember the version numbers any more)? D* still got to it eventually. As long as they don't reject it, I am hopeful.
     
  20. Dusty

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    BTW, I have to give props to original OP for coming up with the most tempting thread title. I do care about DLB but not so strongly to follow every DLB thread. But this one is golden. Great thinking.
     
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