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DLB, Wanting is better than Having !!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by dreadlk, Sep 5, 2009.

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  1. Sep 5, 2009 #21 of 713
    Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    This is probably pretty close .. As for turning it on, you don't see that screen "every time." you only see the activation screen when it goes from being off to being on. Typically this would only be once per viewing session (where DP is used).
  2. Sep 5, 2009 #22 of 713

    RobertE New Member

    Jun 9, 2006
    Some people would still piss and moan if they were being hung with a new rope. :nono2::rolleyes:
  3. Sep 5, 2009 #23 of 713
    David MacLeod

    David MacLeod New Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    nothing like that new rope smell :)
  4. Sep 5, 2009 #24 of 713
    Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Jul 12, 2006
    Los Angeles
    Play nice, please.
  5. Sep 5, 2009 #25 of 713

    boufa AllStar

    Dec 23, 2007
    I have to say that I watch a lot of TV at night, in bed. I still have an old Directivo hooked up to that tv. The DLB function goes away completely for a hour (?) or so every night around 2am. The second tuner is on a service channel, and it says something about doing its daily download.

    Not a big deal, but proof that the tivo method is not without it's flaws. As with everything, compromises have to be made, and I think that the directv solution was a good one. I too however feel that the banner is too much, I understand the need, but maybe if it could be turned off in the options? Call it a one touch double play on/off setting.

    Its and observation, not a complaint, and its not too much effort, just a streamlining step.
  6. Sep 5, 2009 #26 of 713

    TBlazer07 Large Member DBSTalk Club

    Feb 5, 2009
    That's a flaw? TiVo DLB runs all the time except when something needs to be downloaded at 2AM then it goes back into action without intervention. Sounds to me like the right way to do it rather then dropping it after every 2hrs of non-use then having to restart it again.

    I can live with the HR implementation because it's better then nothing. However other then making it more visible I see no benefit to this method.

  7. Sep 5, 2009 #27 of 713

    dreadlk Hall Of Fame

    Sep 18, 2007
    Look no need for anybody to get pissed off about my comment, I am just saying that its just about as easy for me to press the record button and then do the whole trick play routine, the DLB makes it just a tiny bit easier but not as much as I was hoping for.

    For those who like the way this feature is implemented, great I am happy for you.
    I was just imagining that it would be a little more transparent in operation hence it's not as great a feature as I thought it would be.

    Hopefully D* will fine tune it in later updates and integrate it more seamlessly by leaving it ON all the time and instead of using the down arrow, then go one better than Tivo and have it seamlessly integrated into just using the Prev Ch button to switch buffers.
  8. Sep 5, 2009 #28 of 713
    Voix des Airs

    Voix des Airs Cool Member

    Mar 23, 2009

    The issue I have with DirecTV's approach here is that I just know that I am going to forget to turn it on. I know it. And since I always want it turned on, I think that, for me at least, I'd much rather it be on all the time and deal with it being interrupted late at night, like TiVo, than to have to specifically turn it on every time I sit down to watch TV (even assuming that I remember every time, it's still a mild inconvenience to have to turn it on manually every time).
  9. Sep 5, 2009 #29 of 713

    RACJ2 Hall Of Fame

    Aug 2, 2008
    I'm not sure why you feel pressing record would be just about as easy. The workaround has been to record both programs. Most everyone complained about all the effort to go back and delete the recordings. Now that you don't have to do that, I guess deleting the recordings isn't that bad?

    Not sure about using the Prev Ch button to swap tuners. How would I go back to my Prev Ch on the current tuner, press it twice? I agree that it would be nice to have a separate button for it. Even my cable Motorola DVR had one, but the down arrow key sounds like it works fine.

    For me I will use DLB when watching NFL ST. If the teams I want to monitor aren't are on the mix channel, I will use DLB to monitor them. My team recording on tuner 1 and one of the other teams in my teams division on tuner 2.

    During commercials, I will flip to tuner 2 and if nothing is happening with that game, might switch from game to game. If I had the second tuner recording, I would have to enter the channel #, then stop the recording. Then press record again to start buffering the new channel. So I think DLB is useful and can't wait to have it once again.
  10. Sep 5, 2009 #30 of 713

    beer_geek Legend

    Jun 14, 2007
    If you forget to turn it on, what's the big deal? What if the other tuner is on something you're not interested in watching? You'd change to another channel and the buffer would be flushed. If you don't switch between tuners in 2 hours, you're not interested in what's on that tuner anyway.
  11. Sep 6, 2009 #31 of 713
    Voix des Airs

    Voix des Airs Cool Member

    Mar 23, 2009
    That's a pretty big assumption.
  12. Sep 6, 2009 #32 of 713

    rccoleman AllStar

    Oct 10, 2007
    Let's be conservative and say every day or so. Is it likely I'm going to forget or want to answer differently on the 50th time? If it's not a destructive action, it seems silly to keep reminding me of something that I have no reason to say "no" to. This is along the lines of "it should just work," rather than involve me in a meaningless decision each time.

    I suppose that the argument is that a parade of different people may be using the device, each needing to be told of this feature (that just about all other DVRs have). I'd just expect the device to "get a clue" after a while, and there's precedent in other software to stop reminding your after X iterations of "are you sure?" for something that doesn't result in loss of data.

  13. Sep 6, 2009 #33 of 713

    dennisj00 Hall Of Fame

    Sep 27, 2007
    Lake Norman, NC
    I'm not sure how you forget to turn it on unless you're wanting to turn it on for future use. I've solved that problem on one of my HR20s buy using the serial port and dtvcontrol.exe.

    An AutoIt script kicks off at 6 am each morning, tunes to CNNHD, turns on DP and tunes to ESPNHD. When I'm up and ready, I can scan the news / sports in a few minutes to see that one or two minutes that may interest me.

    I also have a script that keeps DP alive for 6 hours. Haven't used it much but probably will on Saturday afternoon football and naps.

    I'm looking at some wireless serial ports to add to another box.

    For the person that wanted the previous button instead of the down arrow. . .previous is still what it is. So if you're not interested in the buffers, previous switches the current tuner to the previous channel. So you can now surf 4 channels with previous down arrow / previous and have a small buffer waiting on either tuner.

    I'm usually interested in one program and switch between two others on the other tuner.

    So turning on DP is a non-event to me and it's better than the Tivo implementation because it has 2 90 minute buffers. We use it every day.
  14. Sep 6, 2009 #34 of 713

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    DLB works perfectly here according to how it was designed, in fact, it seems pretty much foolproof once you use it more than once - I have all family members now using it here.

    Since this feature is "nice" but not critical in this household...how it works (which is very simple) seems more than adequate.
  15. Sep 6, 2009 #35 of 713

    94SupraTT AllStar

    Nov 18, 2005
    Is DLB in the latest NR?
  16. Sep 6, 2009 #36 of 713

    Movieman Hall Of Fame

    May 8, 2009
    Yes it has reached the lastest NR. Just in time for football season.
  17. Sep 6, 2009 #37 of 713

    boufa AllStar

    Dec 23, 2007
    You know... that is important. Someone, or everyone needs to send a big thank you to Directv for their timing. They get soooo much abuse, and sometimes they deserve it, but this one was right on.

    So, whether by accident or by design, thank you directv from me for perfectly timing the release of this feature. We may be critical of some of the minor things (we do hate change don't we) but overall thank you, and keep the development going.
  18. Sep 6, 2009 #38 of 713

    dreadlk Hall Of Fame

    Sep 18, 2007
    Here’s a situation that happens to me every once in a while and it’s very annoying.

    I am watching a movie and I pause the movie to go get a drink or do something else like help out one of the kids etc.

    I come back, press play and go on with the movie, maybe 10 - 30 minutes have passed since I paused it.

    At some point during the rest of the movie my finger accidentally hits a single digit like 4 or 9 or the remote gets squeezed and changes channels, and before I can do anything the HR has switched to channel 4 etc.

    Of course when I go back to the movie I realize that 30 minutes of the show has evaporated and I can’t watch it anymore. So I have to search for the next showing and record it. (if there is a next showing :( )

    DLB does not help because I never turned on the buffer, and that’s one of the things I don’t like about having to turn it on. Yes it's great if you’re intentionally switching between channels but it does not help if you are just watching TV and accidentally switch channels, which is something that I am sure happens to many people on this forum.
  19. Sep 6, 2009 #39 of 713

    compac Legend

    Oct 6, 2006
    Good point... but I want my Db(mtv)

  20. Sep 6, 2009 #40 of 713

    Kojo62 AllStar

    Aug 9, 2007
    PA, USA
    I agree, that is very annoying. But it seems to me that it's the same problem you have now with only one live buffer. Even on a DirecTiVo unit, you have the same behavior. That's a separate issue that has nothing to do with DLB or DP.
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