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DLB, Wanting is better than Having !!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by dreadlk, Sep 5, 2009.

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  1. Syzygy

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    I find it vexing that people keep basing what the HR2x should do on what TiVo does or doesn't do. They assert that the HR2x needn't do something just because TiVo does it. Or they argue that if TiVo doesn't do something, then why should the HR2x?

    I'd like to see talk about what the HR2x should do -- period.
     
  2. kymikes

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    The fundamental "flaw" in this discussion is that there is ONE correct answer. I used to have an HR10 and loved it. I would change the 'double press' to enable DP if it was my choice but, bottom line, I prefer DP to the DLB as implemented on the HR10. The one thing that is made obvious here is that there are several/many ways that people want to use DP. If individuals want to express their opinion about their 'preferred' way that they would like to use the feature, feel free but remember that they have no more right to be 'correct' than anybody else.

    BTW, I thought the oldest joke among programmers was "If you can't fix it, feature it". Just my opinion.
     
  3. hdtvfan0001

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    There are no programming bugs...only random features.....:D
     
  4. dreadlk

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    +1 Prefer the Auto Pause
     
  5. kymikes

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    One of the more humorous comments from one of my programmers (in days past) was a recommendation that we could save time by just filling the defined memory space with random bits and then debug it. :hurah:
     
  6. Nicholsen

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    I actually like your version of the joke better.:D

    I also like the idea of a "power user panel" that would let advanced users adjust certain of these behaviors. Mainstream users could just leave their boxes in plain vanilla mode. You could always "reset" the box to factory defaults with a reboot. (I believe this is how the skip works on the TiVo.)
     
  7. Tom Robertson

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    Then the earlier workarounds are available. They autopaused. (Record both items and use the PREV button.)

    Cheers,
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  8. dreadlk

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    Well said, thats exactly what I think, we should not be holding the Tivo as some sort of Gold Standard but instead we should take the best features and improve the rest!
     
  9. dreadlk

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    I know your saying that with a tiny bit of sarcasm but your statement is exactly what I said at the start.
    IMO if you like to pause the buffers and just switch back and forth between channels, the old method works just about as easily as the new. Also +1 in that the old method has no time limit! (except when the show ends)
     
  10. boltjames

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    I have received the new firmware and am preparing my review of DP. At first glance, the new functionality is a welcome addition but its fatal flaws outweigh its upside.

    More to come later tonight.

    BJ
     
  11. BubblePuppy

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    Fatal? My DP isn't dead. Maybe you need to talk nice to yours. :D
     
  12. sigma1914

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    Oh boy! We can't wait! ;)
     
  13. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    Now now, you know that his report will be totally unbiased, and of interest to everyone.

    !rolling
     
  14. SlimyPizza

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    Possibly as unbiased and interesting as your remark? Let's leave the forum open to all who want to comment....
     
  15. sigma1914

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    Maybe you haven't seen his past posts. :lol:
     
  16. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    That includes me.
    I don't know what it was you were reading, but I never suggested closing the forum to anyone. Where did I write that?:confused:
     
  17. boltjames

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    My thoughts on the new firmware:

    1. It's extremely fast and that is the most impressive thing of all. Forget DP, the fact that it powers on instantly, blazes through menus, loses all the lag of the last release.....bravo D*.

    2. Don't know why, but my picture looks clearer. Perhaps some tweaks to how the DVR handles compression, but the picture looks improved.

    3. Next time D*, if you're going to release something this good, consider charging for it. I'd have paid $4.99 for the speed increases. D*App Store. Think about it.

    My positive thoughts on Double Play:

    1. It works properly as Super Jump, lets you toggle effortlessly between the two tuners, blazingly fast. Good job.

    2. The resources necessary to enable the new functionality seems to have had zero impact on the base resources, meaning that nothing has been compromised, no steps-back to get DP moving. Good job.

    3. If you pause one of the tuners, jump to the other, and then jump back, the paused tuner un-pauses itself. Very un-D*like to remove a button-press they might have otherwise have added. They seem to be button-happy; this is a good step in the other direction.

    What ruins Double Play:

    1. It has to be turned on instead of always being on. Makes no sense as to why D* would make a user turn it on/off. The very best part of two tuners should be coming home from work and having 180 minutes buffered on the last two channels you were watching in case something unexpected catches your eye when you turn the TV on.

    2. It times-out after 2 hours. Again, makes no sense as to why if a user has chosen to enable it at, say, 7pm why that same user would suddenly not want it again at, say, 10pm. If DP has to go 'off' for some reason, at least D* could have made that happen when the DVR is turned 'off' for the night.

    3. The entire concept of DLB adds stress and complication to the viewing experience. The knowlege that you have the second tuner can force you into caring about what it's doing in the background, force you to put something there that you might want to see, distract you from the primary channel that you should be watching.

    4. Maddeningly, DP doesn't allow you to put the same channel on both buffers without putting the previous buffer into the second buffer. The result of this is that you can't toggle between the same channel on two tuners with two different sets of 90 minute buffers in them.

    Fortunately, all the upside of the Super Jump function for the three-times-a-year you need it hasn't come at the expense of performance loss.

    Unfortunately, this hybrid-DLP is missing its best feature- unlimited 180 minute buffering- no on/off to deal with, no timeout to ruin things, and the fact that you can't put the same channel on both tuners with different buffers is a major, major frustration.

    Two steps up, three steps back.

    BJ
     
  18. cdc101

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    Really...a net of 1 step back? I respectfully disagree...but that is why we have our own opinions I guess. ;)
     
  19. Tom Robertson

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    I concur. Seems like at least two buffered steps forward. :)

    I'm definitely happy--in time for football. woohoo! :)

    Cheers,
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  20. boltjames

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    During a Packer game: Watch the Packers, stay focused, don't jump around to other games.

    When the Packers aren't on: Watch the Red Zone Channel. It does the jumping for you.

    BJ
     
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