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DNS Network Channels Information!!!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by inkahauts, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. joshjr

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    I understand. I will update in a couple months with the status. Sooner if anything changes. I dont look for it to. I think the law was pretty clear. If you have DNS before the date the new law was signed in then you are grandfathered in but I understand the reservations when it comes to DNS. Let us know if you change your mind.
     
  2. Sep 8, 2010 #182 of 271
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    I noticed PBS DNS (channel #379) was dark blue in my Guide today.

    It's not a big deal since I was planning on cancelling it anyway, but I thought it was interesting. I suspect the reason I was even eligible for it to begin with was due to a deal between GPB and DirecTV which has apparently now ended due to DirecTV having locals available here for a month...

    ~Alan
     
  3. Michael H..

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    Same thing with me at the end of last year. Have all the DNS feeds. The DMA I'm in had/has LIL, but I'd been grand-daddied in since '95 with Pegasus, continuing with DTV since '05, with the LIL's appearing a couple/few years ago. Since I was/am out-of-range of OTA's, nothing changed with the DNS's until both the expiration/lapse of the previous SHREVA/SHERA at the end of last year AND the DTV website changed to show that I could receive locals OTA. That meant that ONLY the SD DNS feed eligibility was affected (had both PBS 379 and CW 384/385 but I have no LIL/OTA CW) so only the PBS 379 DNS was removed, although I could submit a waiver to see if I could get it back. The network DNS' were in HD, and although the DTV website showed I could receive those OTA as well, the HD DNS' were not affected by the SHERA lapse, just the SD's, so I continued to receive the HD 390's DNS' (and also the respective E&W 380's SD's) for the networks.
    I didn't necessarily plan to cancel PBS 379 DNS, but as with the other SD channels, I almost never watched it (couple of times a year?) so I didn't call DTV on it. Had I, I would have disputed that I could receive it OTA, and that I shouldn't need a waiver, and that it shouldn't have been removed. Six months later, as the new SHERA was in final stage of adoption, I thought that I should try to get it added back before SHERA adoption, to ensure the channel would then be covered by any new grandfathering provisions. DTV DNS said that they reverted the OTA signal reception for my zip code back to not being able to receive, so I didn't need to submit a waiver to get it turned back on, and they did so immediately. I still don't watch PBS DNS, but put it there in case it ever goes HD (which DTV has told me isn't likely), then I've covered my bases.
     
  4. bjlc

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    well guess what.. due to not having locals , and being terrified of losing my distant networks, I am going to miss today's Packer game.. can't get the local CBS on antenna no matter what you do..

    I can't believe that the Packers are not on the national network this week..
     
  5. adamson

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    Where do you live in Wisconsin that you cannot pick up CBS via antenna?
     
  6. bjlc

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    In the LaCrosse area... the iron core bluffs don't allow satellite signal to go through them..
     
  7. Oct 4, 2010 #187 of 271
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    every week.. especially during football season.. it gets harder to not take my locals..

    I can only watch my locals on one tv in the house and then I am limited to what channels I can and cannot get..

    its a long 17 weeks.. suffering, wondering, fear and peril. will your team be on a channel that you can actually see.. when are they on the national channels? hoping.. waiting , praying..


    I can't wait for the playoffs. or better yet.. the end of the season and SPRING.. which is only 6 months away.. ARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHH....
     
  8. Oct 4, 2010 #188 of 271
    joshjr

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    Time to bite the bullet and get your locals. I have mine and still have had zero issues with losing my DNS feeds. There is no reason to wait. Your the one losing out.
     
  9. bjlc

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    I called D* on Friday.. and although I had good CSR's.. even the woman that I spoke to , couldn't tell me that I would keep my distant networks, if I took my locals.. and she had been with them for 4 years..

    its too much on the line.. and even she said, if they, the distants , get turned off , even by mistake.. it would take an act of God to get them back..

    so I watched the redzone channel and that's all the Packer game that I saw.. this week will be different.. and at most, one more game..

    although after yesterday.. watching the Packers might be drinking drano.. UGGH>>>
     
  10. rpinnt

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    I got my locals on Wednesday (Sioux City) and the DNS were turned off on Thursday. I guess I shouldn't bitch since I haven't had NBC since cable days in 1999 but I had really gotten used to them, especially the national PBS feed. I am more disappointed at the DMA designation of being in the Sioux City DMA while I live in Nebraska and would rather have the Omaha channels. So today when the Huskers are on I get to watch Iowa-Wisconsin (not a bad game but not what I want to watch.)
     
  11. bjlc

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    wait.. how long have you had your distants? did you turn them off, or did Directv turn them off? because once you are grandfathered in, YOU should have had the choice of keeping your distant networks.. and your locals.. at least that's what the Current law states..

    but its the one the one thing that I am teriffied of losing.. my distant networks..

    Josh should also have an opinion about this as well.
     
  12. joshjr

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    My guess is he was one of the ones getting a few DNS channels as fill ins for a few months before his market was available. That is completely different then someone that appplied for waivers and was approved for DNS feeds. If he never applied for them but was taking advantage of the DNS that D* gave him then there would be no grandfathered status for him.

    D* got sneaky about it to. My market launched and there is no CW affiliate in my DMA so they gave me the east coast feed free with my locals but it also meant that I could not apply for a waiver to get the west coast CW anymore either.

    Im gonna guess that while anyone was getting DNS fill ins till their locals arrived it prevented them from applying for the feeds as well. That way no one could get DNS right before their LIL launch and keep the DNS feeds afterwards. Correct me if I am wrong but I would bet he never applied for any kind of waivers.
     
  13. rpinnt

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    I had FOX HD & ABC HD for several years and CBS SD for maybe a year or so. When I got the fill ins CBS was then HD but I lost west coast FOX & ABC SDs, only getting to keep the east coast HDs. I never told them to turn them off and was told it couldn't keep the DNS with locals. I never had NBC as the waivers were always denied and once the fill ins were there I never had the opportunity to request it.
     
  14. joshjr

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    Then dont waste anytime. Email this address dns-waivers@directv.com now and let them know that you had DNS prior to getting your DMA's locals this week and the new law that passed for DNS feeds stated you were able to keep them after your LIL was launched. See what they say and let us know. Dont wait. Email them today. The longer you wait the less likely you are to get them back.
     
  15. Lord Vader

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    The fact that the new law permits one to keep the DNS is irrelevant. DirecTV is not required by the law to keep them on. In fact, if any of his local networks at any time decides they don't want him to keep a DNS feed, all they need to do is inform DirecTV of this and poof! That particular DNS channel is shut off, waivers notwithstanding.

    Those with DNS feeds have their DNS situations audited once per month by the local networks. If at any time the local network wishes their DNS to be shut off, DirecTV must comply. (This only applies when one has that network's local channel turned on as well.)
     
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    now how can you verify this last statement. that DNS are audited once a month..

    like they have a person who takes the time and some how checks all this paper work..

    explain and defend this statement with a burden of proof please..
    or is this a "scare tactic".. ?
     
  17. joshjr

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    I dont know if there is any truth to what he said but I do know a little about it. The affiliates use a tool made by titantv to log into their account and accept or deny waivers. I do not think they check who is already approved. Also one affiliate GM said that the system is configurable as well. If any address falls in their DMA they can set it to just deny all that fall in that category on a monthly basis so that they dont even have to check it. So lets see they dont check it personally and the ones that are within their DMA are automatically denied on a monthly basis. Sounds like no one gets a waiver to me.

    Unless you are willing to call and speak to the affiliates to get a waiver I wouldnt even waste my time applying for one. There are loop holes though. If they let their license lapse for that website then all waivers are approved until they renew the license. Not sure how often that happens but I know I got one of my waivers approved that very way at my previous address. The GM was pissed I got it.
     
  18. joshjr

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    It is true they are not required to but if you already had it and let it be known at the time you are adding locals you want to keep the DNS feeds then it should not be that hard. Why would D* want to remove them and save you money when they are already getting that money. I guess it really depends on how bad you want to keep your DNS feeds and how hard you are willing to try to keep them but add locals. When I added my locals I spoke with someone in the DNS department just to make sure I was not going to lose them and had them add the locals and not some random CSR.
     
  19. Lord Vader

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    There isn't a person who checks paperwork each month as you believe; instead, the networks are given the information of who has DNS feeds, and this list is updated each month.

    Waivers are much harder to come by today than they were in the past, especially 1998, when I first got all of mine.

    It should be noted that HD DNS is treated much more strictly than SD DNS. There is grandfathering for SD, as I have it, but the grandfathering for HD doesn't protect the HD DNS customer if the networks tell DirecTV to yank the HD DNS feed. This is specifically what happened to me. My case actually went to Chase Carey and to DirecTV's legal department. They weren't hostile toward me or even dismissive. They were understanding. Regardless, in discussions with me, they politely explained how the networks noticed I was on the list of HD DNS customers and consequently requested mine be shut off. DirecTV even gave me the names of the network persons who demanded this shut off.

    Again, it's not hard if we're talking SD DNS feeds. As I stated above, HD DNS feeds are a different ball game, for some stupid reason.
     
  20. adamson

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    OK Josh, I do not buy this story. When you made your move and they gave you locals for that area Directv failed to turn off DNS...period. And yep I will admit thats what occured with me. Thats all I am going to say and I plead the 5th. As far as Im concerned I am protected by the current law and obviously Directv knows this thats why they are still there DNS east and west. I have worked on being protected from any disconnection well before the bill became law, and if thats not the case this is what is the case, Directv will face stiff penalty for the failure to turn them off...thus their hands are tied and they won't piss me or you off to create a nice fine.
     

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