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Do I need SWM with HD Receiver for Whole Home to Work?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by heiber, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. The Merg

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    Your system was bogged down since the CPU has to handle the bridging between the two Ethernet ports as the HR23 doesn't have an internal switch. That's why it was not a recommended solution.

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  2. The Merg

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    With a Genie install, you will be converted over to a SWM system, which means that you only need one coax per receiver. If you are going to keep the 2 DVRs and the Genie, you will actually get a SWM16 installed. You will keep your legacy LNB and will have four wires coming from the dish to the SWM16. From the SWM 16, you can connect the PI right there to the dedicated power port. Off of one ofthe SWM16 outputs, you would have the Genie and off the other output you will probably have a 2-way splitter that is used to feed the two HR2xs. If the Genie will be where you have Ethernet, you can then just plug an Ethernet cable into the Genie and will be set up with Internet to all of your receivers. If the Genie will not be where there is Ethernet, you will also need to have a Cinema Connection Kit (CCK) installed. In that case, your 2-way splitter will probably be a 4-way splitter and the tech will use the second coax to one of the rooms to hook up the CCK.

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  3. heiber

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    I'll put the Genie in one of the rooms with the Ethernet. Either the HR20 or HR23 will go in the room with one coax. So I will get 2 tuners through the one cable there?

    Also curious, what is "PI"?

    And are the installers always stocked with everything they need or do I need to call and make sure?
     
  4. The Merg

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    SWM stands for Single Wire Multiswitch. The idea is to allow the use of multiple tuners through one cable. It's really the only way a Genie could exist. Can you imagine having to run 5 cables to the Genie to allow all 5 tuners to work? :)

    The PI (Power Inserter) is basically the power supply for the SWM16 (or SWM-LNB).

    The tech should have everything that he needs with him. As long as they know that you will be keeping both DVRs and adding the Genie, the system should automatically generate an order for the SWM16.

    Just be advised that even if you put the Genie where there is an Ethernet connection, the tech might insist on installing a CCK. Just go with the flow. After the tech leaves, you can remove the CCK and plug the Ethernet cable directly into the Genie and reboot it. If you get a HR44 and the tech insists on using its wireless capability, just go with the flow. After the tech leaves, you can just plug in the Ethernet cable and reboot the Genie.

    HTH,
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  5. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    PI is power inserter. And, yes, you're correct on the wiring. Installers don't always have everything, but should have what is needed for this install.
     
  6. jimmie57

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    The SWM system only uses 1 coax per receiver / DVR / Client.
     
  7. inkahauts

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    Actually, it did not work as you saw with your system getting bogged down, or at least I should say it didn't work right. And that is the point and reason to not do that.
     
  8. inkahauts

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    First off, If I where you, as soon as you get the genie, I would move all my recordings to it and stop recording programs on the other units unless you have to do to conflicts, but since you will have more tuners in the genie than you had before with the other two, this shouldn't be an issue...

    Now, as for the rest, I disagree to a certain extent with others suggestions. I would replace the other two dvrs with clients, or at least one of them. However, I would do it in stages, which you can still easily do even with what you already have setup. After you are up and running, Id watch all your content on one of the dvrs, probably the hr20 first, and then id deactivate it and get them to simply send you a client to replace it. You will get to keep the hr20 so it can be an emergency backup if you ever need it. And then depending on how you are using your systems and such, if you can find yourself not ever needing to record anything on the hr23, id do the same with it, clear it off and deactivate it and get another mini. One reason is power consumption, another is heat. (that hr20 ius crazy power hungry. You mentioned money as a consideration, Its amazing how much less power you consume every month with a genie client than an hr20, which can in some cases be a big $savings. 2 being replaced would be even bigger.) But really, in the end, ease of use has a big impact. Total control for all dvr functions and one unified to do list, series manager etc trumps pretty much everything else that some say makes keeping a hr better. The big thing so many here push against a genie system is if the genie goes down your system goes down. I can see someone wanting one non client in their system and keeping it active simply as a backup in the least used location. But even better, IMHO is simply having a backup dvr unactivated waiting to go into service at a moments notice, hence why I mentioned you'd have a hr20 in the wings waiting. Of course, you can still do all that at some point if you want to and it wont make a bit of difference in what your having done with the install next week.

    That's just my two cents, but I would not summarily dismiss moving to clients over time, especially for the hr20. ;)

    Let us know how it goes with the upgrade!
     
  9. georgewells

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    I have Whole Home with my HR34. All of my sets are connected to the internet. When I bring up the List on the 3 sets with DVRs they all show everything that exists regardless of which set recorded it. On my H24-100 it does not show everything that is on the list like the other 3 sets do that have DVR's. Is the reason the same list does not show on the H-100 is because it is not a DVR ??
    Thanks -- George
     
  10. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Does the H24-100 show some of the lists? What is missing?
     
  11. lugnutathome

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    I have seen this from time to time depending on boot order and at times internet (router) connectivity at the time. Step one try to just go into network settings on the H24 and just connect to internet with its existing settings. Wait a few minutes and see if the missing content shows.

    If not you may need to determine which unit is lacking in the list and do the same network resetting on it.

    If that fails reboot the unit that isn't showing in your list.

    There is a "network" of polling and inter unit communication on a port other than the one content is served on. Sometimes this interaction just doesn't work right and redoing the network settings, or rebooting awakens that handshake.

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  12. peds48

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    They are supposed to have everything and if they dont, they have to get it. this is not an excuse to not do the job
     
  13. peds48

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    what you say, "stages" in DirecTV's "eyes" in considered as multiple upgrades. if the TS do not get what he wants now, he may have to pay for them later.
     
  14. heiber

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    Everything is set up and installed. The good news, I got an HR44. The bad news, the installer did not have everything he needed for the SWM and had to come back the next day. Here is what he did:

    Room 1; HR20 with 1 coax for the receiver and 1 for the DECA
    Room 2: Genie with1 coax for the receiver and 1 for the PI
    Room 3: HR23 (moved it from room 2 to room 3)

    Also got him to leave both the RF and regular remote. My receiver is an enclosure and I had the HR23 remote set to RF. Based on what I have read, I have to use the new (different) remote if I want to use RF for the Genie. Too bad because it would be nice to have the same remote configuration for all 3 receivers.

    Anything else I should know? BTW, the HR44 does seem like a very nice piece of equipment and the performance is remarkably faster than the other boxes. The slow performance has been by far my biggest annoyance with Directv.
     
  15. peds48

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    Correct, the HR44 will only work with the RC71 for RF


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  16. The Merg

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    If the DECA in Room 1 is a Cinema Connection Kit (an Ethernet cable from it goes to your router), you can forgo it by plugging an Ethernet cable directly into the HR44. If you do disconnect it, be sure to put a terminator cap on any splitter output that the coax going to the CCK was on. You don't say it, but the HR20 should also have a DECA unit behind it with an Ethernet cable going from it to the HR20.

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  17. heiber

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    I'll have to look to see what he did. This is what the installer described to me but I haven't looked yet. He said the second cable in room 1 was where he patched into the ethernet.
     

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