Do we really need 4K ready AVRs for our 4K sets?

Discussion in 'Home Theater Audio' started by Rich, Jan 6, 2016.

  1. mutelight

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    I don't have a Roku 4 so I am unsure what it does as far as upscaling but depending on the output resolution you set on the Shield, it would output that video resolution at all times.
     
  2. Rich

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    The Roku 4 upscales all content to 2160p. So, I can buy a Shield and get 2160p on all content just by a setting? I wonder why they don't say that on their website? You do get both NF and Amazon, right?

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  3. mutelight

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    Just make sure the output setting is 2160p60 and everything will be upscaled.

    They likely don't say that because virtually any device where you can set an output resolution, it will scale non-native content to that resolution. I haven't done any testing to see if my TV or Shield has a stronger scaler so it may be the case that having my TV upscale any 1080p content will show better results. That said, I haven't found the need to since non-4K content looks great on the Shield.

    Shield has Netflix, Ultraflix, and YouTube for 4K but it does not have Amazon currently. It is a total bummer that they do not have Amazon but I end up watching any UHD content in the other room and I like being able to stream my PC games.
     
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    Not only is it a bummer, it's a deal killer for me. Nuts. I've tried two Roku 4s with no luck on my JS8500. They just don't seem to want to work with the 4K Sammys. And they have several other problems. There's a really long, depressing thread on AVS about the Roku 4s. Thanx for the info.

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  5. mutelight

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    Hmm that is bizarre that it doesn't want to work, glad I didn't go that path since I am running two!

    What is the issue specifically? Does it just not display 4K content?

    Another option for you is the Amazon Fire TV 4K which has all the services. (Granted I haven't read up much on it but it may do what you are looking for.)
     
  6. lparsons21

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    The FireTV box (not the stick), has 4K Netflix and Amazon. No 4K YouTube.


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  7. Rich

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    I gather that means you have two 4K Sammy sets?

    The issue with the R4s is they don't show any 4K content on NF in the Info window of the NF app. When you go to a NF show or movie there is a page that has, for 4K content, "UHD" and "5.1" in the upper right hand corner of the page. That shows up on my TV's apps and I know it shows up on the 4K FTV's app. The R4 also doesn't show any 4K content on Amazon. They might have fixed this by now but there are so many issues with the R4s that I simply lost interest in them.

    One more time: For the love of God, do not buy a Roku from the Roku website! If you have to return it, it takes way too long to get your money back and it takes far too long to just get the RMA info to return it. You'll be constantly besieged by Roku CSRs wanting to "fix" your problem that, obviously, can't be fixed.

    I'm patiently waiting for the newest iteration of the FTV box in the hope that it upscales all content to 2160p. Right now, I can deal with the TV's apps altho I find the UI to be a lot more difficult to use than either my FTV boxes or my ATV4 (which is a superb streamer, but is hindered by the lack of an Amazon app and no 4K support).

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  8. mutelight

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    Yeah, two of my TVs are Samsung.

    I have seen a similar issue to you where I was seeing no 4K content in Netflix on my Shield but that is because it is running through my pre-pro which doesn't support HDCP 2.2. If I connect it directly to the TV, I can then view 4K content.
     
  9. Rich

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    I know, I had one and returned it because they dropped the optical output from the box. At the time, I was using the 4K set in my MB and needed the optical output for the AVR. I'm hoping the new FTV box shows up soon and has similar specs to the Roku 4, especially upscaling all content to 2160p. I'm pretty sure the way my luck is if I were to buy another 4K FTV box the new one would come out 31 days later. I'm also waiting and hoping for a new ATV box that upscales to 2160p and has an Amazon app. I'd rather have the ATV box than the FTV box.

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  10. Rich

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    I never use my TVs for sound. I did have the R4 HDMI cable hooked up to the JS8500 and used the optical port for sound and got no mention of UHD on NF or Amazon.

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  11. nuzzy

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    I'd just hold out for a Trinnov Altitude 32


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  12. lparsons21

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    I've been trying to talk myself into upgrading to an AVR that supports 4K. There are quite a few making the claim, but in reading it seems most are having at least some issues with some TVs. Makes wanting to buy a not so good idea at this time.

    It would help if they could get ALL the specs set in at least soft stone! :)

    If I were to get an AVR it really wouldn't do much more than make things a bit more convenient. Streaming 4K has stereo with some services and DD and/or DD+ with others. Optical can handle that well enough even if it doesn't quite do DD+.

    All the current real 4K BluRay players have dual HDMI out, one for video and one for audio. So connecting straight to the 4K TV is being supported just fine and with the dual outputs you can get the more advanced audio codecs too.

    Note that it seems most, if not all, of the AVRs bragging about 4K support and the HDMI/HDCP spec that comes along with it, are only doing that support on 3 HDMI ports. Unless I've misread specs, none are doing it on all ports, hell not even all 4K TVs are!

    For me, when they get AVRs that are fully supportive it would be one step forward in video and a step or two back in audio since Harman Kardon has quit making home AVRs. :(

    I've been told that Marantz gets close the HK sweetness and someone on another forum mentioned a NAD ($$$$) receiver.


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  13. Rich

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    I've tried doing the HDMI thing with my Samsung upscaling BD player and no matter what I do the AVR keeps reverting to TV (which is an optical line). I can clear it if I reset the AVR, but that doesn't last long. Frustrating. My AVR is an older Sony, not a 4K AVR. Kinda makes me wonder if I'd have the same issues with a 4K Sony AVR. Anyone having any ideas about what I can do to solve this problem?

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  14. lparsons21

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    Are you connecting the BD player just with HDMI to the TV? Or to the AVR?

    If you do it to the TV then audio would come from the TV via either ARC or optical. If you do it to the AVR and only have single HDMI out of the BD player, then it should do the audio fine but the video would be 1080p max.

    The 4K BD players have the dual HDMI and from what I've read one is video/audio for those that have AVRs that are fully 4K HDMI/HDCP compatible, and the 2nd HDMI output is audio only. I don't think the upscaling 4K BD players do that.


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  15. Rich

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    My Samsung BD upscaling players do have dual HDMI outputs and I use one for video and one for the AVR. When I do that, the Sony AVR keeps switching to TV, which is an optical output. It won't stay on the HDMI feed. So, I gave up on the dual HDMI thing and I use an optical feed for sound. I'd rather use the HDMI, but I don't seem to able to.

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  16. lparsons21

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    That is odd!

    I had an HK AVR3700 that would change inputs randomly, never could quite figure out how. Gotta love all this great tech! :)


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  17. Rich

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    This problem has bothered to the point where I don't want to buy a new 4K Sony AVR. And I don't feel like learning how to use another brand AVR. (Hmm, "brand" or "brand's"?)

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  18. lparsons21

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    I've found over the years that the daily use of an AVR isn't much different between brands, especially if you use something like the Harmony One universal remote. It is the setups that are widely different and oft times irritating as hell. But if you take the time to setup properly the first time, you generally never have to go back to those screens.

    Hmmm... I think I'll head over to BestBuy and get an Onkyo 757 to try out. Rainy day, no golf 'cause I'm getting to be a wimp, good day for it.


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  19. Cholly

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    We are currently using a Yamaha RX-V 663 in the family room, connected to the Samsung TV via optical cable.That way, we can use either the Sammy for sound or turn off the TV speakers and use the AVR. Blu-Ray and HD DVD players and TiVo all feed the TV via HDMI. We aren't using a Harmony Remote, relying on the TV to autoselect inputs .It does pose a bit of a problem, needing to use remotes for TV, DVD player, TiVo and AVR. If we're just watching broadcast TV, Netflix or Amazon, we only need the TiVo remote.

    I'm a Yamaha bigot, and am considering getting a Yamaha RX-V377 5.1 channel AVR for my bedroom from Newegg (on sale for 2 days for $169.95) to replace a Pioneer VSX-521.
     
  20. boukengreen

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    HD DVD what is that format lol is it like laser disc or something lol
     

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