Doctor Who Christmas Special

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  1. RunnerFL

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    I didn't know it was in theaters, much less in 3D, until days after it had aired. :(
     
  2. James Long

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    The 10th Doctor regenerated and kept looking like the 10th Doctor because he "had vanity issues".
    This was noted in the 2013 Christmas special when the doctor was counting his regenerations.
    (So technically 11 was 13, 10 was 11 and 12, 9 was 10 and the war doctor was 9. The new doctor is 14.)

    It probably is best when they don't try to explain everything. :)


    Back to the issue of the "11th" doctor remembering saving Gallifrey. In the Christmas special he was alarmed when the planet was identified as Gallifrey. He express the impossibility as "Gallifrey does not exist in this universe" not "Gallifrey was burned to a crisp in the time war". This demonstrates that this doctor can remember the events of what we saw in the anniversary special.
     
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  3. Stewart Vernon

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    The way it always seemed to work in the classic series...

    When multiple Doctors met, the current Doctor remembered, but his previous selves forgot when they went back to their own timestreams...

    So... after the Three Doctors, Pertwee remembered (as he was current) but Hartnell and Troughton forgot... later in the Five Doctors, Davison remembered, but all the older selves forgot... Lastly in The Two Doctors, Colin Baker remembered but Troughton forgot again.

    So... when all is said and done... Tennant and Hurt should forget and Smith remember... but we have a bit of a monkey-wrench in the mix.

    Tom Baker. Was he playing his older pre-Smith self? In which case he would forget afterwards as per usual... OR was he a future Doctor that just looked like an older version? In *that* case it gets murky because then he would be the most current version no? So Smith should forget..

    There's also the mess that was Colin Baker's last season where a future variant of himself was the bad guy (Valeyard)... so that was technically a multi-Doctor story where the "past" Doctor Colin Baker appears to retain memory of the events.

    So... they've kind of done it both ways.
     
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    he 3D was very well done. It added to the story, added depth. One of the best scenes was when Clara rides her scooter into the TARDIS - looked very cool.
     
  6. RunnerFL

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    Choosing to not change is NOT the same as choosing what your face will look like.
     
  7. James Long

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    A choice is a choice. :)
     
  8. RunnerFL

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    Not in this case. There is a huge difference between "I don't want to change", which means NO change, and "I want these eyes, this nose, this hair, this chin" and so on.
     
  9. Stewart Vernon

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    And you're still forgetting Romana... on the classic series who explicitly chose her regeneration.
     
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  10. James Long

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    10 said "I want these eyes, this nose, this hair, this chin" -- his point of reference just happened to be the form he currently was. :D

    Most of the time it seems that The Doctor is just happy to be alive. If he spent more time choosing the regenerations would be less random. The concept of "a familiar face" ... someone in the back of his mind that the process latches on to when creating a form ... isn't too bad of an idea.
     
  11. Stewart Vernon

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    Also... and I would have to go back and watch again to be sure... but in "The War Games" when Troughton regenerated into Pertwee... there was definitely an implication that the Time Lords (who were forcing his regeneration) were making some conscious choices about his next look.
     
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    If you saw/heard hi say that you clearly weren't watching the same episode I was. He didn't pick every feature, he didn't want to change. There's a huge difference between the two.
     
  13. Red Orc

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    IIRC they offered him several choices and he rejected them all and the Time Lords got fed up and chose a face for him.
     
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    I am so happy that Clara will continue.
     

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    It is still a choice. You claimed the doctor does not get to choose what he looks like ... yet he was able to choose to look just the way he was. You can split hairs all you wish ... but he made a choice. The doctor had a choice.
     
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    It seems that she might be happy traveling with an older man. But with her experience in the doctor's timestream she probably know better than most the soul of the doctor. He's more than a pretty face.
     
  17. Stewart Vernon

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    Yeah... that sounds very familiar to me now. I knew I remembered something about circling faces and Troughton seeming disappointed with them and his last words being something like "no, not that one"...
     
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    It's a choice to stay who he is, yes, but it is NOT a choice to choose each and every feature of his face or body.
     
  19. Stewart Vernon

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    Romana.

    Also Troughton-to-Pertwee.

    Those haven't been refuted yet.
     
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    Romana - Not The Doctor and we're talking about The Doctor, don't care. I also agree with what Wikipedia says about her regeneration "This regeneration scene is controversial with some fans, as it does not conform with how regeneration is treated with regards to the Doctor or other Time Lord characters." and... "It has also been theorised that Romana may have needed to regenerate after being tortured by the Shadow in the previous serial, and that the different bodies she tries were merely projections.", so not actual regenerations.

    As for Troughton to Pertwee I can't remember that far back and something tells me you'd still argue if I gave you rock solid proof.
     

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