"Don't touch my junk!"

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Chris Blount, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. Nov 15, 2010 #1 of 282
    Chris Blount

    Chris Blount Creator of DBSTalk Staff Member Administrator DBSTalk Gold Club

    Jun 22, 2001
    I find this funny but yet serious. When flying, does the government really have the right to touch your private parts?

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    Dec 11, 2006
    Long Island, NY
    Seems like the guy just wanted to start trouble. I wonder why he didnt go through the full body scan?
  3. Nov 15, 2010 #3 of 282
    Lee L

    Lee L Hall Of Fame

    Aug 15, 2002
    Some people (including some medical personell) have concerns that the body scans may expose you to more radiation than what we have been led to beleive by the TSA. No idea if they are valid or if they are from wackos, but I don't think it is unreasonable either to think that just possibly these things were rushed into use and provided by companies that lobbied heavily to get the contracts.

    Also, some people feel that the TSA has not exactly been forthcoming about what is actually seen and what is done with the images. At the same time they say that it is not showing "everything" or stored, we hear stories of how a TSA agent filed a complaint that he was harrassed by co workers after the saw his picture in the scan and started making fun of the size of his package and that they have indeed stored the images in places "by accident"
  4. Nov 15, 2010 #4 of 282
    The Merg

    The Merg 1*

    Jun 24, 2007
    Northern VA
    What a dope! Umm, they told you they are going to do a groin check and you said okay multiple times. Umm, when they do a groin check, take a wild guess what they might touch?

    - Merg
  5. Nov 15, 2010 #5 of 282

    RobertE Active Member

    Jun 9, 2006
    All these scanners and other nonsense is just a "make the public feel good" knee jerk reaction to past events.

    I find it disturbing that children are sent through these scanners and someone is looking at essentially nude images of children. In the UK, children are excluded from body scanners as they feel those nude images are child porn.

    I also find it disturbing that some of the very people that push for more and more intrusive semi-public screenings/pat downs are also against public nudity, sex on tv, etc.

    Then you have them wanting to scan the pilots. Really? The guy/woman at the control has a considerable number of options to kill everyone onboard without using nail clippers or a bomb in his tightie whities. Again, a BS "feel good" process that does little good.
  6. Nov 15, 2010 #6 of 282

    matt New Member

    Jan 11, 2010
    My uncle used to have the job of checking security at airports. He would go through the checkpoint with a gun or knife or something. Sometimes he would get caught... but obviously he had the credentials on him to avoid arrest. Other times he would slip right through unnoticed.

    I have no doubt if he still had that job he would get through sometimes. The airports I have gone through sometimes have staff that look/act like they went and got all the teenagers that worked at burger king and gave them a TSA badge. A lot of them don't care, they just want their paycheck.
  7. Nov 15, 2010 #7 of 282

    matt New Member

    Jan 11, 2010
    I wonder if he would have had a different response to a female TSA agent?
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    spartanstew Dry as a bone

    Nov 16, 2005
    Wylie, Texas
    Went through the body scanner last week and forgot to take my business cards (and holder) our of my back pocket.

    Had to get a good pat down of my "package" area and buttocks.

    No big deal. I also don't find anything about airport security disturbing or nonsense and I go through it every week.

    What I do find disturbing is that usually the people that are against these types of things are people that don't travel very often.
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    matt New Member

    Jan 11, 2010
    At least it was good! :lol:
  10. Nov 15, 2010 #10 of 282

    dpeters11 Hall Of Fame

    May 30, 2007
    They say the images aren't stored, but we know they can be. The US Marshal's had about 13,000 images on a scanner in a courthouse.

    If I were to fly, and I don't do it often, I'd likely choose the patdown. No health concerns, no images that could be stored, and it'd likely make the agent uncomfortable, if done in the open, especially if few choose the option.
  11. Nov 15, 2010 #11 of 282

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    I drive. Screw all that government crap. They would lose my luggage anyway.
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    jerry downing

    jerry downing Godfather

    Mar 7, 2004
    If people don't like it, they can take the train.
  13. Nov 15, 2010 #13 of 282

    RAD Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2002
    IIRC, all the incidents of bringing explosives onto a plane started at an overseas location, not in the USA. So what is happening at overseas airports for screening, are they getting X-rayed or groped also? If not what is it really doing for use beside costing us billions of dollars?
  14. Nov 15, 2010 #14 of 282
    The Merg

    The Merg 1*

    Jun 24, 2007
    Northern VA
    The agent is not going to be uncomfortable about doing a full search. It's not that difficult and while it shouldn't be, it's more uncomfortable for the person being searched.

    The best one I heard of was someone searching a guy and he kept coming back to the side of the groin area checking there. He kept manipulating something there to try to figure out what it was. He finally asked the guy what he had in his hand. The guy responded that it was his junk. Man, the face of the person doing the search was a classic! :lol:

    - Merg
  15. Nov 15, 2010 #15 of 282
    Richard King

    Richard King Hall Of Fame

    Mar 25, 2002
    A friend of mine flew off to New York this morning. The report back from his lady friend is that they "strip searched" him. I suspect she is exaggerating, but they did give him trouble going through security. My friend just had his 95th birthday just over a week ago. This IS getting a bit rediculous and "out of hand". I'll find out more about his experience when he returns on Friday. I now have more reason to stick to driving.
  16. Nov 15, 2010 #16 of 282
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Let's put the radiation concerns aside for a moment... because I can't say one way or another what is safe OR if their equipment performs safely even if they claim it does.

    Regarding just the searches and patdowns...

    IF you want to go into someone else's house or ride in their car, you have to abide by their rules. You don't have to go into their house or ride in their car.

    I love how people are quick to blame lax security but then scream when security measure impede them in some way.

    Do I want to be X-rayed or strip-searched or patted down? No, not really... but I would take that into consideration IF I wanted to fly on someone's airplane.

    I have flown, but I don't care for it anyway... and my flying was all before 2001, so I missed the newer screenings.

    I think you can refuse a patdown, but only if you're willing to turn around and leave the airport without a fuss and not get on a plane... in which case, why go in the first place?

    A few bad apples do spoil the bunch... and so we need some of these intrusive security measures to help make it harder on those who would do us harm.
  17. Nov 15, 2010 #17 of 282

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    Once you enter the TSA security line, the only way you can leave is by getting an Xray, Pat Down, or in a police car. They will not allow you to "turn around and leave".
  18. Nov 15, 2010 #18 of 282

    RAD Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2002
    True, but I ask again, how much safer do all these new measures make us if ALL USA bound aircraft don't have the same security procedures done overseas? They say these new measures are needed due to the underware bomber, but will they find explosives that are placed in body cavities? So it's discovered that someone sticks some explosives up their a** and gets on a plane, will that mean that bend over and spread them so a TSA agent can check?

    Hey, all for security but is this really the best way to do it? IIRC security in Israel airports is done more by observing passengers actions. I'm more concerned about all the cargo that's been placed under where I'm sitting then the person next to me, since the vast majority of it has no screening done to it at all. IMHO lets be smart about how we do security and know a knee jerk reaction every time something happens.
  19. Nov 15, 2010 #19 of 282

    Supramom2000 In Loving Memory of Onyx-2/23/09

    Jun 20, 2007
    Colbert, WA
    Look at the extremes that drug smugglers go to. Some have cut open their skin and stuck kilos inside their stomach cavity. They have hidden baggies in their anal cavity and women have hidden them in the vaginal cavity.

    I can think of worse yet: women using a feminine product at the time of a scan. How will that image be portrayed on the screen? Will they have to remove the product and show it to someone?

    If they don't use scans, body cavities and feminine products will be missed, making a lot of the pat downs a moot and unnecessary procedure.

    On the other hand, for frequent fliers and air crew, should they be subjected to radiation on a daily basis? Many times, several times a day?

    I have no problem subjecting myself to a scan for my 2-3 times of air travel per year. It is the others that need to worry.
  20. Nov 15, 2010 #20 of 282

    scooper Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    Kansas City KS
    I think all the crap at the airport is doing about zero good and it's being a major pain in the posterior. I thing the rules on "4 ounces of fluid" are rediculous - I got a very nearly new flouride bottle taken because I had it in my carry on (no checked baggage that trip) - I damn near made a major stink about "you want it - you buy it!".

    I will not fly any more unless I absolutely have to.

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