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Discussion in 'The OT' started by Chris Blount, Nov 15, 2010.
I should send that IRS bit to Letterman, but I don't know how.
You can bet that it has already been hacked by one of those chuckle heads interns already
All of these new procedures are simply rules that can be pointed to after a success attack and bureaucrats can say "we followed procedure" but we don't need more procedures, we need intelligent screening.
The Underwear Bomber got on his plane, but his own father had contacted American authorities warning them that his son had been to Yemen and was radicalized, plus he had no luggage. The Shoe Bomber was on the No-Fly List and STILL got on his plane. The Times Square Bomber got on a plane although he was on the No-Fly List...but the airport hadn't updated it in a timely manner. All of these men could have been prevented from getting on planes if security simply checked paperwork or followed the CLUES.
Yet, the Millennium Bomber was stopped north of the US border because the official there looked in his eyes and believe him to be suspicious. That smart detective work prevented him from setting off a bomb at LAX.
Right now, the goal is to look for devices, not to look for terrorists. There's a big difference. We need to follow common-sense, basic rules of police work and look for the true enemy.
We need to learn how to look for terrorists without prejudice about what they look like (racial profiling). It helps overseas where "everyone looks like a terrorist". The people who get passes physically look like the people who get caught.
Agree and heaven forbid if we should bring back the word "profiling" when screening passengers.
The terrorists should be patting themselves on the back. They have won. America has turned into a bunch of whiney, sniveling whimps who jump at shadows. The only way to take the skies back is to nab the bad guys before they even get to the airport.
No sniveling whimp here. What this country needs is a "Commander in Chief" who's got a pair. Go after these bastards where ever they are and make them extinct!
Wow Chris. Just wow. You most not travel internationally often, if at all. The level of security currently in place is not exclusive to America. If you knew of all the failed attempts and potential risks that you never hear about, you wouldn't be quick to belittle.
What happens when, God forbid, an individual uses a body cavity to conceal dangerous materials? All the groping in the world and current back-scatter technology won't help. The government is trying to give us a false sense of security with "enhanced pat-downs". My wife and I are senior citizens and we get taken asside every flight for "extra screening" because we both carry (expensive) sleep apnea machines (CPAP) on every trip. Unlike notebook computers which go through the x-ray machines after being removed from cases, CPAP machines have to be swabbed with chemical pads to look from possible residue (probably from nostrils ). When was the last time anyone heard about the CPAP bomber? This is just one large CYA!
In many other countries...they'd consider our steps here way too easy. In others, they have no clue what security should be. That's part of the problem - inconsistency. A system is only as good as it's weakest link, so controlling things internal of the U.S. is about the most we can hope for at this time.
I'd agree that getting ahead of the terrorists is the best complimentary process to what's in place right now.
It doesn't even need to be a device. There a biological weapons housed in virtually unprotected locations in many countries. A suicide bomber is one thing...a suicide infector (made up my own word) is another. Scary stuff.
If I heard about cases where the authorities actually caught a wannabe terrorist - I might agree the measures are necessary. Until then - no way.
Don't need to know the details - just that something has actually been a result of these measures.
It seems to have helped with the unemployment statistics. It is a jobs program.
Oh...I see. So you think we should remove the security measures, let a few more people with box cutters through, see what damage they do, and then put these security measures back in place. Got it.
The security measures are not only a way to stop people already at the airports, but a deterrent to keep people from even attempting something. This is one of the reasons why they are made to be so visible and we make anyone and everyone aware of their existence.
Don't get me started on that one but for obvious reasons we can't get into that here. Maybe over in the DBSTalk club forum.
I know what you mean. I stopped taking my CPAP machine on trips because of that. I just use my chin strap when I'm away.
I had the same thought a couple days ago when this thread first started...
The main difference is the TSA people work for TSA and seemingly report to no one. A private security firm would work for the airport authority and have to keep them happy as much as the TSA. IF things start getting out of hand or one guy is a pompous jerk, it would be much easier to bring them back to the correct line or fire individuals. In reality, just like anything else, it only takes a few real jerks to make people hate all TSA agents.
So where do we go from here? Some of you believe it is OK to touch your junk or rub up against your daughter, wife, mother or grandmothers woman parts. Do we next start inserting a rectum or vaginal probe when the first terrorist sticks something up there parts? Do you really know how small a gram of a particle really is. They will not find it with just a hand probe. Perhaps if they have a national day when the people decide enough is enough and no one going through this so called airport security allows this to happen to them will this nonsense end. Or perhaps some of you will go along with the probes up your parts. Yes it could come to this. The government is saying, OH well the public doesn't care what rights we take away, they just want us to make them safe for travel. Make no mistake about it. This is your rights they are violating. You are giving up more of your freedom every day to be safe. When do you say to your government STOP you are done violating my rights. Does the government then say, we won't stop, but we will lock you up for protesting. Some believe in profiling the passengers. But we all know where that leads. People would be profiled because of color of there skin or where they were born, or because of there beliefs. Anyone who agrees with the way there government can do what and when they want to do something has forgotten about past governments and where all of this led there countries. Once you give up your rights you do belong to the government. They will do what they want to do to you as a people. Remember they are going to impose a $ 10,000 fine for the man in the airport for saying no, I am just going to leave. Is this really the government you want, telling you no you can not just leave and go home?
I do believe that it is "OK" for me to touch my own junk, but I have a feeling that you didn't mean it that way.
I am having trouble locating the post where someone said they were "OK" with this.
I am reminded of the quote "Those who are willing to sacrifice a little freedom for security deserve neither" - possibly paraphrased.