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Don't waste your money on LED!

Discussion in 'High Definition Displays' started by Rikinky, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. Feb 17, 2011 #1 of 103
    Rikinky

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    Well I bought my first and possibly last LED tv last night. I previously had a Samsung 46A550 LCD and it had a really good picture but wanted something bigger I saw the 55C6300 LED in the showroom and it looked really good until I got it home and mounted on the wall and immediately noticed the colors were washed out. I calibrated it about a dozen times and even went with the natural mode instead of Movie mode and still nothing, I also noticed I had to increase the black level to the max to eliminate the backlight bleeding thru the picture. and the angle viewing is a joke the entire screen just looks terrible! I chose this tv over the 58 Samsung 58c500 Plasma, looks like I should have went with the plasma, thus I am returning this junk and going with Plasma this weekend. Also this is my first tv with the 120 hz and I hate it. makes the picture look so artificial.
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  2. Feb 17, 2011 #2 of 103
    Stuart Sweet

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    Glad to hear your opinion. I think everyone's is important. Personally I look forward to LED for lower power consumption and smaller size, not necessarily better picture.
     
  3. Feb 17, 2011 #3 of 103
    MysteryMan

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    From what the OP has stated it sounds like the Samsung 55C6300 LED should have stayed on the drawing board a bit longer. Good luck with the plasma.
     
  4. Feb 17, 2011 #4 of 103
    tgater

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    2nd here. I don’t consider my Sony a waste of my money. I’m very pleased with it so far and my wife(happy wife, happy life) likes that it doesn’t protrude off of the wall.
     
  5. Feb 17, 2011 #5 of 103
    spartanstew

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    That's why most TV's give you the option of turning it off. It's really only intended for certain programming, like sports.
     
  6. Feb 17, 2011 #6 of 103
    Earl Bonovich

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    I have that exact model on my TV, for nearly 6 months now.
    And have to completely disagree.

    I went from a plasma to this LED, and it is totally day and night.

    I love the 6300.

    I have neraly the opposite opinion. The colors are crisp and vibrant.
    I personally don't like any 120mhz mode, so I turned it off. (I haven't seen an implementation that I have liked on any unit).
     
  7. Feb 17, 2011 #7 of 103
    Davenlr

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    May not be at all relevant, because I am not familiar with that tv, but I bought a 24" Viewsonic LED/LCD computer monitor, and found I had to turn the backlight slider from its default of 50, down to 0, before I could get the monitor to calibrate correctly on the black level test. Any setting above 0, and the backlight made the totally black setting look dark gray to light gray.

    If your new TV has a backlight setting, try this: Set the contrast to 100%. Start at the lowest setting on the brightness while watching a 4:3 program with sidebars. Increase the brightness until you notice the sidebars start to lighten up, then lower back until its as dark as possible. Then lower your backlight slider (if the set has one) until you notice the sidebars are as black as possible (in my case, it was all the way down). Once that is done, lower the contrast until you get the brightness you want on the screen. Seems strange, but it works, short of professional calibration.

    Better yet, get Earl to tell you his settings, and put them into your TV and see how it looks.
     
  8. Feb 17, 2011 #8 of 103
    Hoosier205

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    Plasma > LCD w/ or w/o LED

    If you want superior PQ, go with the superior display technology.
     
  9. Feb 17, 2011 #9 of 103
    tampa8

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    Imho you either have a bad set, or are not calibrating it correctly. I almost bought that exact model and even in the terrible lighting of the store, after letting me make some settings, it looked very good. Ironically, the color and picture quality even for those that gave it one star for other reasons on Amazon was considered terrific.
     
  10. Feb 18, 2011 #10 of 103
    Rikinky

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    Ok I stayed up late last night trying to calibrate this tv and I have to admit I have a great picture now. The one thing I noticed different was that I had to turn down my backlight to pretty much off. and energy saver to high because of the brightness this set gives off. I had to set my black level to the highest as well. now the only thing I lack is color pop. I need to learn how to adjust colors or mess with the saturation a bit but I don't want to turn it up risking the unrealistic flesh tones and etc. but definately a long way from what I started. however the angle viewing is still pretty bad at picture degregation.

    here is my settings for now as I am learning any help would be awesome. especially with colors
    Mode: Movie
    Backlight 6
    Contrast 85
    Brightness 49
    Sharpness 10
    Color 50
    Tint 50/50

    Eco Solution
    Energy Saver: High
    Eco Sensor: Off

    Detailed Settings:
    Black Adjust: Darkest
    Dynamic Contrast: Off
    Shadow Detail: 0
    Gamma: 0
    Expert Pattern: off
    RGB only Mode: Off
    Color Space: Native
    White Balance: 26/25/22/30/25/25
    10P White Balance: Off
    Flesh Tone: 0
    Edge Enhancement: Off
    xxycc: Off
    LED Motion Plus: On

    Picture Options:
    Color Tone:Warm 2
    Digitial Noise Filter: Auto
    MPEG N/F : Off
    HDMI Black Level: Normal
    Film Mode : Auto 1
     
  11. Feb 18, 2011 #11 of 103
    Earl Bonovich

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    I turned off the energy saving mode, but even with it off... it is only drawing a third of the power that my old plasma did.

    As for the viewing angle... being used to the 169 degrees of the plasma, i will completely agree with you on that one. And that is the main reason why this particular TV is headed down to the basement later this summer, and a new one coming into the main room.

    I had to go with the 6300 about a year earlier then I wanted to, because the plasma was starting to fail.
     
  12. Feb 18, 2011 #12 of 103
    Davenlr

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    I think you will find most all LCDs have the same angle issues. While I am about to leave for work, and dont have time right now to research the locations, I know there are burnable DVD's you can download over on AVSFORUM.COM that have all sorts of test patterns. You can also buy calibration DVDs online. I think the best bet would be to check Avsforum.com for your specific model, and read the thread. If its like most sets, those that have had their sets professionally calibrated post their settings. If you take those as a starting point, you can get pretty close.
     
  13. Feb 18, 2011 #13 of 103
    iceturkee

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    i love my led so much so i bought another.
     
  14. Feb 18, 2011 #14 of 103
    lugnutathome

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    Set color space to wide and it'll pop at ya:grin:

    Also dynamic contrast should improve your picture and edge enhancement might help a bit too in image details.

    I always run my backlight down to 5, contrast (picture) between 75 and 80, energy save low, auto light sensor on, and move brightness up to about 55.

    These settings work across my XBR2, XBR6, and EX700 sets. I keep thinking I'd like to upgrade my XBR2 but it's picture is incredible albeit a bit dimmer than the LED.

    Most out of the box settings are bright as thats how consumers conceive a good picture. Fact is deep contrast detail is not possible with the bulb (or contrast) turned to 11.

    Sony has a lot of adjustments but once you dial it in... Yeehaw.

    Don "Good reason to stay up late wasn't it? ;)" Bolton

     
  15. Feb 18, 2011 #15 of 103
    RASCAL01

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    My set is the bomb!! I have not seen any other set that even comes close to the picture quality.
     
  16. Feb 18, 2011 #16 of 103
    Hoosier205

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    ...must not have seen a Panasonic plasma then.
     
  17. Feb 18, 2011 #17 of 103
    kikkenit2

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    The thread in this link is 191 pages long but somewhere in there are some suggested settings for your model.

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1231072

    I found by reading the avs forums that the mid-quality lcd tv's this year (especially samsung)
    don't work that well. Seems like the top of the line 3d work good and the bottom model (6000) decent.
    I ended up with a sharp 60" lcd for $1200 and it looks decent, but not $3k 3D quality.
     
  18. Feb 18, 2011 #18 of 103
    spartanstew

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    not necessarily
     
  19. Feb 18, 2011 #19 of 103
    gilviv

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    Loooove my LED! It is an LG42LH90, all in all, the PQ is awesome!:D
     
  20. Feb 19, 2011 #20 of 103
    MysteryMan

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    Then perhaps the OP's set was defective.
     

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